Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

U.S. when Ukraine asks for aid:

U.S. when Israel needs aid:

looks like US is lining up all their assets for strike on Iran .. Trump has forgotten Iran assassination attempt

israel pushing hard for US to strike Iran nuclear site now

In 'tense' call, Israel urges Trump to quickly strike Iran's Fordow, citing narrow window of opportunity

Israeli officials have told the Trump administration they do not want to wait two weeks for Iran to reach a deal to dismantle key parts of its nuclear program and Israel could act alone before the deadline is up, two sources said, amid a continuing debate on Trump's team about whether the U.S. should get involved.

The two sources familiar with the matter said Israel had communicated their concerns to Trump administration officials on Thursday in what they described as a tense phone call.

The Israeli officials said they do not want to wait the two weeks that U.S. President Donald Trump presented on Thursday as a deadline for deciding whether the U.S. will get involved in the Israel-Iran war, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

During the call, Vice President JD Vance pushed back, saying the United States shouldn't be directly involved and suggesting that the Israelis were going to drag the country into war, said the sources. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth also participated in the call, said a security source.

Probably bullsh1t but rumours of a ground assault on Iran Fadow nuclear facility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/21/world/middleeast/israel-iran-commander-killed.html

tis getting awfully crowded in hell these days

“Mohammed Said Izadi, one of the commanders Israel said it killed, was one of the few people who knew in advance about Hamas’s plan to launch a surprise attack on Israel, The New York Times has reported.”

Ah yes of course, the “Serbia started WW1” argument. And I presume the US provoked Japan into their sneak attack on Pearl Harbour.
You are talking about waving away facts. Are you still denying Israeli ethnic cleansing, genocide and war crimes?

Don't agree with any of this at all.

Israel engaging in open war with Iran 2000km away sends a clear message - it doesn't matter where you are, we will get you and we have the means to do it extremely effectively.

Iran spent 40 years building its missile and proxy strategy to shield itself from harm and the whole house of cards fell apart.

You might see positives in the situation but I sincerely doubt the regime does.

No air defenses. Load of senior leadership assassinated. Military and nuclear infrastructure severely degraded. Whole world looking at the fact Iran can't lift a finger to oppose Israeli air power over its own territory.

Iran is not going "toe to toe" with Israel either. Landing a few missiles and causing a few casualties while your enemy is decimating your military command, infrastructure, defense networks, air force, and assets.

"Toe to Toe" can be ambigious but that is stretching far beyond the realm of reality.

In fact the whole situation basically shines a spotlight on Iran's hopelessly antiquated airforce and air defense capabilities and complete inability to oppose any semi-modern enemy air power.

All Iran can claim is to have landed a few missiles in Israel and killed a relatively small amount of civilians while Israel is dismantling their leadership and infrastructure, facilities, defense systems.

How anyone could possibly view it as something the regime would be pleased with is beyond me.

The idea that somewhere like Saudi would be somehow worried is ridiculous. Why would they be? Iran's shown literally nothing whatsoever to give them worry? No air force? No air defenses? Can't oppose an enemy air force operating 2km from its own borders?

If anything, other countries are taking note at Iran's complete inability to defend itself, and how completely helpless it is.

Iran did not pump all of its money into proxies and ballistic missiles to win a war. It did that as a policy of deterrence to ensure it never suffered any blowback from Isarel due to the threat of mass missile attack.

It did that because one of its core goals is the destruction of the Israeli state, but it knew it couldn't win an actual direct conflict with Israel, thus the priority was ensuring there was never a war in the first place.

That strategy has now completely failed, and the desperate state of their actual armed forces where it counts in this conflict has been laid bare.

So again, the idea that someone could spin this into a good thing for Iran is…..honestly, it is really something.

Ask yourself, if this was any other two countries, would you really be spining this as positive when one side's caused contextually minor damage with ballistic missiles and low civilian casulties, the others decimated an entire countries air defense network, eliminated half its senior leadership, severely damaged its nuclear facilities, destroyed 100s of missile launchers, destroyed a portion of its airforce, without suffering the loss of a single jet.

The perpetrators of a surprise attack, especially one that takes place during active negotiations, is always going to have an initial advantage.
Israel is being impacted more severely than it has been in years. Israeli society already has deep underlying fractures and yet another war, which for the first time in years will have a direct impact on most citizens will eventually cause those divisions to fester.

Israel started a war, whose initial war aim, to destroy Iran’s nuclear capability, was one they acknowledged they could not achieve on their own. Netenyahu has started a war knowing that the US will intervene because Israel cannot defeat Iran alone.

Trump sending B52's to Iran is only going to antagonise them more.

Obviously you can, as Germans, Turks, Serbs and Hutus have before you, justified, downplayed and downright denied genocide. It’s not new, it happens every time.

“You can accuse Israel of whatever you like, I don't agree”

I think this really sums your position up quite succinctly. No matter what Israel is accused of, no matter the facts, you won’t agree.
It isn’t a poster on boards that is making the accusation of course. It is the ICC, genocide scholars, holocaust survivors, but no. Sean can “wave away facts” as you accuse others of doing.