https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
I think most people have sussed out Israel's MO after 18 months.
Perhaps there are millions of fan boys supporting genocide and war crimes - but the majority (probably into the hundreds of millions) do not.
U.S. when Ukraine asks for aid:
U.S. when Israel needs aid:
Dial down the self loathing will ya?
I suspect most people in West are same as in East and just shrug and go “another fecking war in Middle East” as they realise there are two deplorable autocracies punching it out
Meanwhile the much much bloodier war started by Irans ally using Iranian weaponry right here in “west” continues
looks like US is lining up all their assets for strike on Iran .. Trump has forgotten Iran assassination attempt
One small upside of the Iran-Israel conflict might be that it stems the supply of Shahed drones to Russia to slam into Ukrainian cities night after night. Iran can launch them at Israel with much futility, seeing as Israel will undoubtedly enjoy far more support from the US and the west in general regarding air defence.
Without getting into a dick-measuring contest regarding human rights abuses and atrocities, I suppose we can all agree that both the governments of Israel and Iran are pretty bad . Ideally, I'd like both regimes to fall and make way for something more peaceful and moderate, but if I had to pick one to fall, I have to say I think I'd pick Iran, only because they are actively helping to demolish a European country at the moment with their drones, and in realpolitik terms that's nearer to me than the shít Israel are doing. It's a squeaker, though.
You are just itching for another world war.
Hate to break it to you
We already are in a world war
There is still a chance to deescalate.
I would hope that anyone with even a smidgen of historical knowledge would be able to recognise the very differing scenarios of post WW2 Germany and the fate of the middle-East after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but clearly not.
israel pushing hard for US to strike Iran nuclear site now
In 'tense' call, Israel urges Trump to quickly strike Iran's Fordow, citing narrow window of opportunity
Israeli officials have told the Trump administration they do not want to wait two weeks for Iran to reach a deal to dismantle key parts of its nuclear program and Israel could act alone before the deadline is up, two sources said, amid a continuing debate on Trump's team about whether the U.S. should get involved.
The two sources familiar with the matter said Israel had communicated their concerns to Trump administration officials on Thursday in what they described as a tense phone call.
The Israeli officials said they do not want to wait the two weeks that U.S. President Donald Trump presented on Thursday as a deadline for deciding whether the U.S. will get involved in the Israel-Iran war, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
During the call, Vice President JD Vance pushed back, saying the United States shouldn't be directly involved and suggesting that the Israelis were going to drag the country into war, said the sources. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth also participated in the call, said a security source.
Cliche is not debate
The Ayatollahs, Putin etc (who are best buddies BTW) have shown zero interest in de-escalating …
Iran not de escalating? The US President ripped up an agreement Iran were in full compliance with to spite Obama’s legacy. If this is WW3, Israel’s sneak attack on Iran is the invasion of Serbia moment.
Probably bullsh1t but rumours of a ground assault on Iran Fadow nuclear facility.
In order to blame Israel for this you have to make s*** up and hand-wave away facts you don't like.
Do I need to give you again the link to the Iranian directed "Axis of Resistance?" Israel was provoked. And Iran is fully complicit in Russia's war on Ukraine - another fact for you to hand-wave away. Also, Russia is helping Iran with its nuclear programme. Another fact for you to hand-wave away.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/21/world/middleeast/israel-iran-commander-killed.html
tis getting awfully crowded in hell these days
“Mohammed Said Izadi, one of the commanders Israel said it killed, was one of the few people who knew in advance about Hamas’s plan to launch a surprise attack on Israel, The New York Times has reported.”
probably only way israel can take it out on their own - they have been known for audacious commando raids before
any source or link....
indications are that Israel may not wait 2 weeks for Trump to hit Fordow and will attack it on its own (at present pressing hard for Trump to ditch 2 weeks decision period)
Ah yes of course, the “Serbia started WW1” argument. And I presume the US provoked Japan into their sneak attack on Pearl Harbour. You are talking about waving away facts. Are you still denying Israeli ethnic cleansing, genocide and war crimes?
Iran’s Revolutionary Guards say ‘vast wave’ of drones launched at Israel
“A vast wave of attack and suicide drones has been heading for hours towards their (Israeli) strategic targets throughout the regime’s territory, from the north to the south of the occupied territories,” Guards spokesman Ali Mohammad Naini is quoted as saying by state television.
Was Serbia waging a proxy war against it neighbours and supplying weapons to other countries to conduct genocidal wars of aggression like Iran is? Not sure your point about Japan, IIRC they were already waging war against all and sundry around them - and collaborating with the Nazis - when they attacked Pearl Harbour.
Yes, you are correct, the parallels between imperial Japan and greater Israel are striking.
And by the way, Serbia was supplying weapons to resistance and separatist movements prior to being invaded.
Don't agree with any of this at all.
Israel engaging in open war with Iran 2000km away sends a clear message - it doesn't matter where you are, we will get you and we have the means to do it extremely effectively.
Iran spent 40 years building its missile and proxy strategy to shield itself from harm and the whole house of cards fell apart.
You might see positives in the situation but I sincerely doubt the regime does.
No air defenses. Load of senior leadership assassinated. Military and nuclear infrastructure severely degraded. Whole world looking at the fact Iran can't lift a finger to oppose Israeli air power over its own territory.
Iran is not going "toe to toe" with Israel either. Landing a few missiles and causing a few casualties while your enemy is decimating your military command, infrastructure, defense networks, air force, and assets.
"Toe to Toe" can be ambigious but that is stretching far beyond the realm of reality.
In fact the whole situation basically shines a spotlight on Iran's hopelessly antiquated airforce and air defense capabilities and complete inability to oppose any semi-modern enemy air power.
All Iran can claim is to have landed a few missiles in Israel and killed a relatively small amount of civilians while Israel is dismantling their leadership and infrastructure, facilities, defense systems.
How anyone could possibly view it as something the regime would be pleased with is beyond me.
The idea that somewhere like Saudi would be somehow worried is ridiculous. Why would they be? Iran's shown literally nothing whatsoever to give them worry? No air force? No air defenses? Can't oppose an enemy air force operating 2km from its own borders?
If anything, other countries are taking note at Iran's complete inability to defend itself, and how completely helpless it is.
Iran did not pump all of its money into proxies and ballistic missiles to win a war. It did that as a policy of deterrence to ensure it never suffered any blowback from Isarel due to the threat of mass missile attack.
It did that because one of its core goals is the destruction of the Israeli state, but it knew it couldn't win an actual direct conflict with Israel, thus the priority was ensuring there was never a war in the first place.
That strategy has now completely failed, and the desperate state of their actual armed forces where it counts in this conflict has been laid bare.
So again, the idea that someone could spin this into a good thing for Iran is…..honestly, it is really something.
Ask yourself, if this was any other two countries, would you really be spining this as positive when one side's caused contextually minor damage with ballistic missiles and low civilian casulties, the others decimated an entire countries air defense network, eliminated half its senior leadership, severely damaged its nuclear facilities, destroyed 100s of missile launchers, destroyed a portion of its airforce, without suffering the loss of a single jet.
It would be a huge mistake for Trump to get involved. Where is the support for it? Apart from hawkish neocons and Zionists in Trump's inner circle plus some in the right wing media, nobody else is onboard. The UK, France and Germany are very reluctant and want nothing to do with it and Israel under Netanyahu is mostly hated by the western public.
The perpetrators of a surprise attack, especially one that takes place during active negotiations, is always going to have an initial advantage. Israel is being impacted more severely than it has been in years. Israeli society already has deep underlying fractures and yet another war, which for the first time in years will have a direct impact on most citizens will eventually cause those divisions to fester.
Israel started a war, whose initial war aim, to destroy Iran’s nuclear capability, was one they acknowledged they could not achieve on their own. Netenyahu has started a war knowing that the US will intervene because Israel cannot defeat Iran alone.
Remind me, which countries/territories not part of the Axis of Resistance are Israel currently at war with?
Trump sending B52's to Iran is only going to antagonise them more.
Japan was already illegally occupying 5 countries before their sneak attack on Pearl Harbour. Yes, the parallels between Imperial Japan and expansionist Israel are remarkable. You never answered the question about Israeli ethnic cleansing, war crimes and genocide. Why are Israeli leaders wanted for crimes against humanity? Is it all a big misunderstanding?
By "remarkable" I presume you mean "exaggerated and overwrought." You don't like the way Israel is fighting back against the "Axis of Resistance." The same axis you wants us all to pretend doesn't exist because it doesn't fit your "joos bad" narrative?
You can accuse Israel of whatever you like, I don't agree quite frankly, but - despite your best efforts to cover for the crimes of the Ayatollahs - you can't pretend everything is happening in a vacuum.
It's not a frivolous accusation to acknowledge the leaders of israel have an arrest warrant for war crimes. No agreement is necessary, its just a fact.
Obviously you can, as Germans, Turks, Serbs and Hutus have before you, justified, downplayed and downright denied genocide. It’s not new, it happens every time.
“You can accuse Israel of whatever you like, I don't agree”
I think this really sums your position up quite succinctly. No matter what Israel is accused of, no matter the facts, you won’t agree. It isn’t a poster on boards that is making the accusation of course. It is the ICC, genocide scholars, holocaust survivors, but no. Sean can “wave away facts” as you accuse others of doing.
