Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

This doesn't need to be worldwide, it is just something we need to introduce to tighten our border controls, something we have not really had to do but now we do need to do it and we need to get tough and restrictive on it to make it as unattractive as possible to would be bogus claims.

When a persons details are scanned at the gate and are sent through to an immigration database with the passport details including their picture and with the boarding details of what flight they were on and all the other information like seat number etc, this is not rocket science, then when the person turns up at immigration in Dublin and says they don't have their details they lost them or what ever pathetic excuse they give then the immigration officer can use facial recognition software to search the database and bring up the persons details including their passport on where they are from and their flight details. Much harder now to claim you lost your passport, then they are detained, they can either agree to be deported as immigration have their details or they can go down the claiming asylum route but that would be a waste of time because now their details in the system and they are easier to check on.

Anyone flying to the States have had their picture taken, their passport scanned and all other manner of checks before getting on a flight, I can't see why this is such a big deal to introduce here. I'd rather see money being spent on this rather than being wasted housing bogus asylum seekers.

Also if they do claim asylum then they can be sent to holding centres like Citywest or Thornton hall, where they will be housed, fed and have access to amenities but they won't be allowed out of the centre to wander around and disappear, they would be in a sort of "no mans land" they are neither in the country or out of the country just in this centre till their application is assessed. Now they if they don't like it, they are free to go but it will be back to the airport and out of the country and thus ending their asylum claim and look to have legislation in place to prevent that person from claiming asylum in this country again for 5 years.

The problem at the moment is it is too easy to get into the country and once in it is too long of a process to get them out again. But at no stage so anyone claiming asylum be allowed to wander around the country, that is just ridiculous.

Ah now, you’re very much mistaken. I read it all, several times, even the bits where you managed to include Trump and bigotry into your reply.

And if that country says: “we have no record of this person boarding a plane from here, we have no idea who this person his, so we’re not taking them”?

You seem to be of the opinion that this is very, very easy, despite having no sense of any reality.

Because the standard reply is because of the 1951 convention we have legal obligations to accommodate anyone who arrives claiming asylum even if they have no documents identifying them although they had to have them getting on the plane.

After that they will be brought to somewhere like Citywest where they will be accommodated for the couple of years while their various appeals are heard.

If they are eventually refused asylum they will be asked to self deport but if they don’t there’s a remote chance they might be put on a plane home.

Even if that happens like with the small number of recent deportations you can be assured certain refugee organisations, teachers and media will campaign to have you returned to Ireland.

Airports have cctv all over the place. If someone chooses not to cooperate at customs and declares their ID they used when boarding the flight in the first place somehow got lost in transit, grand. Lets Look at cctv. You arrived on the Paris flight this morning at 10am. You now claim to not have ID. You will be on the next flight to Paris where we hope you find your ID. Simple.

USA detain people at customs and decide if they want to refuse people entry or not. It refused they're on the next flight home. It can be done.

That can only be done with the cooperation of the other country. You cannot force someone onto a flight and send them to another country without the express permission of the other country - these are supposed to be legal procedures following established international agreements.

What if the person took a connecting flight on the way to Ireland? This happens all the time, people flying through Amsterdam, Dusseldorf, Copenhagen, Paris, Zurich etc. You would be sending the person to a country they hadn't even being residing in for one minute.

I can't think of any solutions but you and others on this thread have been repeatedly told you can't just put an anonymous person onto a flight to another country.

Also the USA can't put someone claiming asylum on a flight with no passport.

In the USA, ICE would have to get some kind of travel document to get you home and this could take weeks or months. Meanwhile you're in ICE detention.

So your dream of flying people back immediately is not possible anywhere due to international rules and regulations.

If you arrive in the US on a flight via another country, if refused entry, you are returned to the city where you departed for the US, not nesscesary your home country. This is fact.

For example, you are Irish passport holder, you fly to NY from Dublin via Heathrow on british airways. If refused entry at NY, you are placed on the next flight back to Heathrow / Gatwick.

If you are a Polish passport holder, and you fly from Krakow to Chicago via Frankfurt. If refused entry, you are placed on the next flight back to Frankfurt.

Its up to you to make your way back to your country of residence, unless the airline is kind enough to book you on to your original departure city for free.

My understanding is that US/ICE have agreements with all carriers that they must accept arrival refusals.

No reason the EU cant adopt the same system.

Well, we are members of the EU for starters and signatories to the ECHR. We can't just make up our own immigration rules and ignore how this will impact on our 30 or so neighbouring states.

I was talking about refusal with travel documents. I fully agree with you. But you'll be locked up in a detention centre in the US and not allowed out until you are deported (to the country you departed from) once they sort your travel documents.

The attraction to Ireland is you are free to move freely while being accomidated in a hotel with food, medical and pocket money.

So your solution is.....?

In a way it's pointless talking about what to do or not do at the airport because most of these men are making their way across the border.

They are leaving the perfectly safe country of the UK and previous to that left the perfectly safe country of France.

There's obviously a pull factor or they wouldn't do it.

So it's time to be cruel to be kind

• Anybody arriving illegally may never, ever , ever acquire Irish citizenship.
• No access to housing. All you get are tents in rural areas the same as France offers except not in our cities. It's in the open countryside.
• Medical care will be emergency only when your life is at risk. Dentistry and everything else is not covered nor offered
• No payments of any description without full name and country of origin being provided.
• Message sent out we don't buy your story of having to move halfway across Europe to get safety.
• No family reunions ever.
• Reparation flights offered.
• Complete and permanent halt to any and all mosque building in Ireland.

These are just some measures of the top of my head.

Or...I'm married with a wife and 2 children at home but I fled my country because I would get persecuted for being bisexual.

Hmmmmmm.

The acting will be off the scale in this play, I tell ya!