Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564212#Comment_123564212

So you would want taxpayers money spent on capital projects that benefit taxpayers. Couldn't agree more. An alien concept for this government.

prunudo

Detention centres, speeding up decision times, deportation and reducing the benefits and incentives is the only way to reduce the number coming here. And I believe ultimately, that is what state owned sites like Citywest or Thornton Hall will become.

Also a heads up, there is a big march planned in Dublin this coming Sunday for anyone interested. 2pm at the Garden of Remembrance.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564077#Comment_123564077

Other countries managed to still help out without throwing as much cash as Ireland did

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564053#Comment_123564053

Deportations happen.

There's been a plane load went to Georgia and another plane load to Nigeria.

Difference is under my plans the deportation decision would take place in four minutes instead of four years.

Also I'd be investing in planes and not hotels.

A fleet of aircraft is something I'd happily say was " valuable for money".

The term does not and can not apply to the purchase of city west and im angry at that phrase being used by the minister. 🤬

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564286#Comment_123564286

How would you deport them if you don't know who they are or where they're from?

Where do you put them while they are being processed?

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564325#Comment_123564325

Let me turn it to you -

How do they make an application without saying who they are and where they are from?

As soon as they mention a safe country as where they originate from - on go the handcuffs and they immediately marched to departures.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564363#Comment_123564363

They've no passport. Why would the country take them when they don't know where they're really from either?

How do none of you ever think this through and think you can just throw them on a plane to Kabul? Cmon like.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564385#Comment_123564385

They need to give some information about themselves when making an application.

It can be verified and their citizenship and identity uncovered.

The host country can provide a travel document where necessary.

If they don't we shall apply pressure and make them do this.

Their home country cannot deny entry to their own citizens.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564417#Comment_123564417

Make them do this lol. I'm sure afghan and nigerian governments will be only dying to carry these things out quicksmart.

What if they lie about where they're from, which many do? How do you get them citizenship of the country then? How long will all this take?

Anyway you're kind of describing the current process which takes months or years.

So you're back to square one and where we're at already. Where do you out them in the meantime?

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564424#Comment_123564424

I'm sure there's tons of remittance going back to Nigeria as an example.

We ban that, stop issuing work visas and expel the ambassadors out of Dublin.

That will bloody well get their attention.

Trump managed it to some South American country playing that game. We can too.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564325#Comment_123564325

Switz manages to do it in 24 hrs for some applicants.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564480#Comment_123564480

But none of that will ever happen in the real world. None of you ever have any realistic solutions that don't involve absolutely mental sh*t that will never happen any time soon like leaving the EU or implementing a massively guarded hard border with the north.

Or your plan of daily flights deporting people around the world. Dream on.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123563112#Comment_123563112

Just to point out creeper that that cost is not the cost of units but the entire cost of site development, utilities, streets and landscaping and play and green areas divided by the number of units , which is not the same as building an individual house on a serviced site.

Also the units will revert to use for housing lists etc after temporary protection is finished and that is all detailed in the very article you quote there but are not pointing out .

Here is the bit for everyone who wants to read past a sensational headline ...

"This equates to an average projected cost of the development and delivery of each unit across all sites of €436,000. This includes the cost of the physical units, inclusive of supply, delivery and provision of loose electrical and household items. It should be noted that this figure also includes average site development and utility connection costs which amount to approximately €271,000 per unit. The units are 45m² (484sqft)."

So the actual cost per unit is €165 k if anyone wants one in their own garden / has a serviced plot big enough !

marno21

To be fair to Big Jim, he has inherited this mess. Citywest, or equivalent, is realistically going to be needed going forward given the sheer numbers involved.

32.7k in the system at the turn of the year. 32.7k in the system in mid May.

Lets judge him on where we are on January 1 2026. 32.7k as a ceiling would be a good start to tackling the issue and the outrageous costs of it.

Conall Cernach

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564385#Comment_123564385

If they've come off a plane then they will have had their passport scanned at the departure gate.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564498#Comment_123564498

Maybe . Not sure that is true but you might have a link for that .

I believe that is reserved for a tiny percentage that are known criminals ?

But yes the Swiss are good at this and if we want to follow any country maybe that would be a good model . They have after all been doing this since the 1930s iirc ?

DaithiMa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564640#Comment_123564640

Here you go.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/57035/switzerland-24hour-asylum-procedure-is-judged-successful

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564640#Comment_123564640

Already discussed. See posts 6474 and 6475.

Only applies to applicants from four countries.

If we can't match 24hrs, could we even aim to process claims within a week?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564699#Comment_123564699

And if they have no passports what do you do with them in the months it could take to get them one?

Panthro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564796#Comment_123564796

Interesting question. What would happen to someone who arrives at customs and says they've lost their passport between getting on the plane in one country and getting off in another.

I'd assume you'd be put on the next flight back to the country you boarded on. You raise a good point. What happens there.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564826#Comment_123564826

An airline won't take you without ID, and there are no direct flights to Algeria and Pakistan etc from Dublin.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564796#Comment_123564796

First, arrest charge and convict them for arriving without travel documents

Second, while they are in jail, get a temporary emergency passport issued.

Our passport office can do this for Irish citizens in a matter of days, so it should not take months.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564924#Comment_123564924

We've no jail spaces certainly not enough for the amount that do this. How long do you think it would take to get Kabul or Tblisi to issue an emergency passport for a completely anonymous person who might be lying about their identity? Took 2 weeks for me in Canada once and I had to provide birth cert and other stuff.

Geuze

As the person has deliberately discarded or destroyed their travel documents, then I suggest we fly them back to country of origin, and deposit them on the apron of the airport, even if the person doesn't have a passport.

A crisis requires radical responses.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564924#Comment_123564924

Surely a travel document with a very short expiry and no possibility of renewal would be a good exercise. Everyone gets named John Doe and Jane Doe. No legal recourse for anyone on that document. That sorts out the first part. It would take legislation but given we rammed through the bailout and covid legislation in a matter of days, I can't see how it's not possible.

The biggest obstacle is the legal trade. They can charge what they like but any case against the state should be a very, very low maximum with all other fees payable by the individual that brings the case. That would shut down the legal part pretty fast.

It's not that difficult to find out where most are from. If they are not on a direct route, charter a flight and load it up with similar to share costs. Offer a seat to other jurisdictions to cut costs again.

Lord knows if it's workable but again we shoved a bailout through in quick time so if there is a will, there is a way.

We have had this circular argument of what to do about identity for donkeys here and its a method to derail discussion and get bans for anyone that fails to follow the pearl clutching thinking.

Panthro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564923#Comment_123564923

I think the problem is people are boarding planes with valid IDs and are losing them upon arrival.

In that instance, what can be done? Can we put them on the next flight out to the country they boarded the plane originally, send their customs a message saying "this person arrived at our customs with no valid ID. No valid ID no Entry."

walshb

When are the government expecting to start housing IPAs at Citywest? I am assuming the locals, and beyond will be protesting this vigorously.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123565000#Comment_123565000

Yes. The Aussies send back people all the time. So does the US. Granted they have a passport. But we have cameras all over the airport. A process of elimination is not that hard. Ryanair have absolutely everyone's details before you fly. You have to give details for years flying to Spain before flying. Enforce it here. The ones coming via airport should be by far the easiest to sort.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564424#Comment_123564424

A big massive detention centre at the airport, which as you say will take time to build. Every day is a day too late.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123564961#Comment_123564961

So you privately fly them back to Afghanistan? Not realistic. And no airline will take them without documents. Certainly not two airlines as there will most likely be a connecting flight.

So we're stuck with them for a decent amount of time.