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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Supply and demand. We created the demand and now the supply has arrived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's incredible that this needs to be explained over and over.

    Michael O'Leary's plan would involve all countries and all airlines needing to work in collaboration.

    When have all countries worked in collaboration on anything? Never mind getting a sh*tload of private companies involved to work alongside them?

    Honestly, the amount of people who fall for Michael O'Leary's bullsh*t is astounding, and it backs up my believe that there is a large portion of the Irish population who are incapable of thinking for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    I get that it’s complicated and difficult, but that shouldn’t stop us looking for smarter solutions, instead of the governments approach of burning their heads, (nothing going on here approach) people calling for better security aren’t blindly backing O’Leary, they’re just looking for sensible measures to keep the country safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,634 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's not that it's complicated and difficult.

    It involves doing something that has literally never been done before, and Michael O'Leary is talking like it can get done yesterday.

    On the very slim chance it can happen, it would take decades to get everyone around the table. And even then it's not a guarantee it would even get that far.

    People need to stop taking Michael O'Leary's word as gospel. He's a bluffer and a spoofer who uses his loose language to distract from his own airline's horrific customer service.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Plenty of countries have Advanced Passenger Information requirements. There's no reason why Ireland can't do the same.

    A lot can be done about the current surge of asylum seekers, there just isn't the political will to do anything about it.

    We've only just started deportation flights, like it's a massive achievement, where in truth it's the absolute minimum of what should be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    O’Leary may be a showman who loves to stir things up, his idea deserves attention, especially since the government has yet to offer any effective solutions. Just because he’s a loud mouth doesn’t mean he’s wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    If the human race baulked at things that hadn't been done before we would still be living in caves.

    You obviously have a bee in your bonnet about O Leary but he talks a lot of sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,182 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Of course it is unsustainable, can we not put a temporary stop, halt to incoming ipas, is that even possible?

    Will Minister Brophy now be branded far right

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0620/1519538-ipa-accommodation/

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Again, when has every country worked together on anything?

    Think about that, and then think about how you get a bunch of private companies on board.

    "He talks a lot of sense," so why isn't he actually getting all the airlines together to actually do it?

    Because he knows, despite his bluster, that it's never going to happen.

    In theory, anything can work. In practice? Good luck to you, because Michael O'Leary has no interest in actually trying to make his own idea work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    So why isn't he doing anything about it?

    People are far too fascinated by billionaires who simply say things and are held to a completely different standard when it comes to actually doing things to back up their theories.

    As of now, O'Leary has only ever said something should be done, while he's made no effort to actually do it himself.

    However, many are so blind by the fact it fits in with their beliefs and opinions that they'll never stop to actually think why nothing is ever done by these billionaires who talk the talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Perhaps he's not doing anything about it because there's no downward pressure from govt on airlines to do so, neither is there any incentive for airlines to do so. And because he's not Irelands gatekeeper when it comes to immigration policy.

    He's probably been asked about it and has offered an idea based on his experience in the industry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    So again, he's another bluffer who says things and does f*ck all about it.

    And people who agree with his view will lap it up and say how right he is, while he gets away with talking the talk and not walking the walk.

    For his idea to work, a large swathe of private companies (the airlines) are going to have to get on board with it. He can get that ball rolling.

    However, he won't. All Michael O'Leary is good for, like many in the political, public and private sector, is saying things. However, unlike those in the political or public sector, he isn't expected to actually be proactive and back up his bluster. He'll have support for just opening his mouth.

    Amazing how people say he should be running the country, when all he's shown he's capable of is running away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    But why should he be the one to get the ball rolling? It's immigration policy we're talking about, surely the government should be the ones to get that ball rolling, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    There are two strands for his amazingly wonderful idea (that has zero chance of working).

    One, the governments of every country collectively agree for the first time ever on a policy

    Two, the private airline companies from across the world come on board.

    Surely he can work on the second strand to speed up the process (if he actually cared) and have them all collectively ready to come on board, rather than waiting for governments to get their sh*t together before acting (thus delaying putting his master plan into action even further)?

    Or is that asking too much of him?

    Or do people even care about what his plan even entails? As long as he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk it's ok?

    End of the day, his plan requires every country in the world to do something that has never been done - agree on something. So it will never happen.

    But f*ck it, as long as Michael O'Leary says things he's a great lad altogether, and sure 'he's right'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    There's countries around the world that put people who arrive with no/incorrect documents back on the 1st flight to the country they boarded on. That's not new.

    You're 2nd strand, again. Why would they? No govt.pressure and no incentive for private airlines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Whatever mate, no time explaining simple concepts around double standards to you.

    Heaven forbid a billionaire who talks the talk might actually back up his spoofing, but if you support talkers instead of those who actually take action, then we’ll continue to go absolutely nowhere with just a different bullsh*tter at the helm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    But surely you see my point, MOL is not our Immigration Minister, he's just a guy with an idea on a how to fix a problem.

    There's no pressure nor incentive for him to act, so why would he?

    Have you ever been in a job where you've flagged up a problem and offer a solution, only for the higher ups to do nothing/ignore? It happens unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Hungary and Slovakia had zero applications in 2024:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭Jizique


    I have seen it all now, "MOL is a bluffer, he is only good for saying things"; like him or loath him, and for most lefties and greens it is the latter, he is CEO of Europe's largest airline and has been for over 30 years, and has transformed our lives over that period more than any of our politicians have



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,235 ✭✭✭Jizique


    So horrific that they flew 200m customers in the year to 31 march 2025, capacity utilisation over 90%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Why do we need all countries to come together for it.

    Someone turns up for a flight with a passport and there details are taken.

    They turn up here without a passport.

    We have the their details so we can send them back to where they come from.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    He’s rich and successful, which validates his opinions about everything.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Maybe his opinions and experience are very valid. Maybe that’s why he’s rich and successful.

    Lots of people dismissed his ideas that flying should be cheaper and accessible to everyone, not just the better heeled in society. Look how that turned out. Just because something hasn’t been done before is no reason to sneer at a new or different approach.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This is a logical fallacy, called an appeal to authority. It’s what got Trump elected in the US, along with bigotry.

    An appeal to authority is a logical fallacy where someone argues a claim is true simply because an authority figure said it, even if that figure isn't an expert on the specific topic or if their expertise is irrelevant. It's a type of informal fallacy, meaning the error lies in the content of the argument rather than its structure

    FYI Michael O’Leary did a great job at Ryanair. But he didn’t invent the concept of low cost airlines. Air Asia and Southwest did it first and he copied. He copied brilliantly, but it wasn’t an original idea as you present it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Agree. Every country has their own immigration rules. Carriers have responsibilities under immigration law for Ireland to ensure all passengers entering the country have valid travel documents, passport and visas if required. Carriers already establish identity and nationality before a person embarks because all commercial passenger flights (worldwide) have a manifest with passenger details, seat data, passport information, special needs etc. The idea that there are no controls, and that people can destroy or lose documents with no consequences is crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0613/1518204-ip-applicants-play/

    The untold stories…”The plastic coating on some of the newer passports is particularly difficult to tear up”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Well aware that Ryanair wasn’t the first in the world but thanks for the history lesson.

    They were the first in Ireland and Europe and 40+ years in the airline industry (or any sector) affords an individual a level of expert knowledge that shouldn’t be dismissed. Particularly an individual with such a spectacular success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,634 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    What countries? Because that seems logistically impossible to me



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