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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I think 18 months of the Hasbara has made people wary and more wise about whatever Israel says. One of the standouts was that football fan who lost a tooth and all of a sudden it was a Pogrom.

    Also, people are well aware of the atrocities committed in Gaza - possibly less so in the West Bank. They are highly unlikely to have any sympathy whatsoever.

    Israeli's who want no part in this must be sick to their stomachs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Fun fact. Lord Haw Haw (Joyce) is actually buried in Bohermore cemetery in Galway. It wasn't his original burial place after his execution.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,819 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You gotta laugh, 1 Israeli hospital is hit and it's the end of the world, they are going to retaliate hard because it's a war crime and they are targeting civilians.

    How many hospitals did the Israelis destroy in Gaza? How many innocent have they slughterd up to now? Civilians are being murdered daily in Gaza as they queue for food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I thought his comments at the time were harsh - perhaps another throwback to the German collective guilt.

    But it was very noticeable no-one (as far as I know) backed him up or uttered similar words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Israeli media was reporting that Trump was going to make a decision in 24-48hrs today. They got that completely wrong and need to keep going for another 2 weeks, which knowing Trump will be another 2 weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You must have missed the news - Israel has banned all video and photos of any damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    Netanyahu: Israel capable of hitting all Iran’s nuclear facilities, including Fordo (they may have to do it alone)

    Israel also appears to be targeting the supreme leaders likely hiding place in tehran tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭BusGuy


    Israeli media aren’t exactly alone in misjudging Trump’s timelines — his own team probably don’t know when he’ll decide half the time. He’s made a career out of dragging things out, changing his mind, or announcing delays as “strategy.”

    Yes, they jumped the gun, but let’s not act like they’re uniquely at fault here. Trying to pin Trump down to a 24–48 hour decision window is like trying to staple jelly to a wall — it was never going to stick.

    Yeah, his comments definitely came across as harsh — and maybe even clumsy — especially in such a sensitive context. If it was a reflection of Germany’s collective guilt legacy, it landed awkwardly and did little to advance the conversation constructively.

    What stood out most, though, was the silence that followed. No one echoed his words or reinforced his stance, which says a lot. In politics or diplomacy, silence from your peers can be just as loud as outright disagreement. That absence of support made it clear he was out on a limb — and perhaps not reading the room as well as he thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Gaza is being pummelled twice as hard now the world is looking elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The poor thing. After having to cancel the wedding plans, misery heaped upon misery.

    I understand (if he is to believed) that the response plan is baked. It's just when will he give the green light - though I suspect there are others who are telling him to lay off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭BusGuy


    Exactly — the moment global attention shifts, the intensity ramps up. It's a tragic, familiar pattern: the less the world watches, the more impunity grows. And right now, Gaza is paying the price for that silence.

    The question isn’t whether it’s happening — it’s how long people will keep pretending it’s not.

    Yeah, it’s been a rough stretch for him — the wedding cancellation alone would be a personal blow, and now everything else just keeps piling on.

    If what he says is true and the response plan is already locked in, then it really comes down to timing and pressure. And you’re probably right — there are almost certainly voices around him urging caution, telling him to cool it or delay. Whether he listens is another matter entirely. He’s not exactly known for restraint when he feels cornered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What I've read is that he has a full plan in place to attack Iran, but that he is receiving a huge amount of pushback from those around him urging him not to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    This came in from Haaretz - the language toned down a lot (I'm assuming it's a follow up statement). Clearly, a bit of back-pedalling going on.

    • German Chancellor Friedrich Merz called for moderation in Israel's campaign against Iran in a phone call with Netanyahu, a German government source told Reuters, adding that Merz voiced Germany's support in principle for Israeli military attacks on Iran's nuclear infrastructure, but stressed the importance of seeking diplomatic solutions to the conflict.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭BusGuy


    Merz backing “military attacks in principle” while also urging restraint is textbook fence-sitting — trying to appease both sides without committing fully to either. It’s damage control, plain and simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Which is very bad news for Netanyahu. Nobody is backing up his attacking of Iranian nuclear sites or offering him assistance and instead key allies are urging a diplomatic solution - this is not the outcome he wanted (there already was a diplomatic process and negotiations before last Friday).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Israel can fire all it wants- they won't stop rockets being fired into hit Israel-

    Israel does not have the power to win-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'm aware of the Gaza thread but this opinion piece does clearly talk to the hostages and their families being utterly abandoned as a direct result of the Israeli attack on Iran.

    Note that the hostages were demoted to priority number 6 a month or so ago. Recent events will have them way down an now longer list of priorities.

    The priority of murdering and starving Palestinians is still at the top of the list though.

    While public attention is entirely focused on the war with Iran, the sense is that the dramatic events underway 2,000 km from Israel are pushing the issue of the hostages into the margins.
    'The fear is that we'll get used to it,' says Adi Bashiri, a social worker at the Eshkol Regional Council who coordinates help for the families of hostages and for released hostages.
    'When there are big events that divert the public's attention, it raises concern. We all know, or more accurately, hear, that every day in captivity is an existential threat to life'
    "

    Ido Efrati

    The Hamas-run Health Ministry said that 67 Palestinians were killed and 221 others wounded across Gaza in the past 24 hours. According to the ministry, 12 people were killed and more than 172 wounded while seeking humanitarian aid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Good post. Can I just ask a question. You mention Iran haven't figured out a trigger mechanism. What foes that mean? Does it literally mean they haven't figured out how to detonate such a bomb if they had it? Is this technology not readily available through their allies like Russia or NK? Sorry if the question is stupid. I'm just curious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'm getting a sense of people, after the shock of the unprovoked attack on Iran, are realising that it was a really bad idea.

    But it also copper fastens the notion that Israel are just out of control and attacking anything and anyone out of pure hatred. Whilst Israel absolutely has the right to defend and protect itself, people are just seeing a massive disproportionate response.

    A lot of people dissed and mocked the recent "selfie-yacht" affair and the convoy to Egypt - but they do resonate with ordinary people.

    Oct 7th was abhorrent. But to follow that up with razing 80% of Gaza, starving 2 million and killing upwards of 200,000 then attacking Beirut (and UNIFIL peacekeepers, including the Irish), then taking Golan, then demolishing hundreds of homes in the West Bank is just astonishing.

    I won't repeat every single atrocity over the last 18 months - the stand-outs in recent times are the 15 medics executed and the IDF lying about it, the IDF anally raping a prisoner with an iron bar and IDF soldiers setting a dog on a Down's Syndrome boy and leaving him to die - alone. The other atrocity of the Hannibal Directive is equally distressing. But there are so many other atrocities - the IDF warned all soldiers abroad on their hollybops to delete their social media in case they were caught with their video beasties and arrested for war crimes.

    I have never witnessed such brutality, such utter disdain for human life. And I think the world sees it too and that is why the lack of sympathy for Israel is palpable. And that is very hard on Israelis who also see their govt's actions for what they are.

    But starvation hasn't fully kicked in in Gaza and it is no longer headline news. This will get worse. A lot worse.

    Apologies for the offloading - I actually despair for humanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,619 ✭✭✭SeanW


    "unprovoked" … no matter how many times you repeat this lie, it is still a lie.

    The dictatorship of Iran absolutely provoked Israel, by waging a proxy war against it for a long time. They are behind most of the trouble in that part of the world, attacks on Israel such as the 7 October attacks, the year long campaign against Northern Israel by Hezbollah, and attacks on civilian shipping in the Red Sea. They've also been behind some attacks on Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia.

    They've made it very clear that "Death to Israel" is not just a catchphrase.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,204 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    ^^^^^^

    Exactly . But backed to the hilt by Trump nothing will stop their expansion along the Mediterranean Sea and their ethnic cleansing . I see Netanyahu as a mirror image of Hitler . A man so consumed by racial hate that projects it as as a National imperative . Israelis will hide their faces in shame in the coming years or maybe I'm giving them too much credit . Imagine if Clinton had supported Serbia and bombed the shyte out of the surrounding countries in support of Slobo .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    But Israels behaviour over the previous what, 50 years, that didn't provoke anyone else? Their interference in Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank? They are not the only ones entitled to be provoked. The selective memory from people like you is absolutely astounding. Its been said 100 times in here already, but this didn't start with the abhorrent attacks of October 7th, you repeating the lie doesn't make it more true. In fact it just reinforces the straw man nature of your arguments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems there are others, many others, repeating what you think is a lie:


    "Israel’s use of force against Iran was and remains a manifest violation of the UN Charter. It was neither authorized by the UN Security Council nor a response to an actual or imminent armed attack by Iran. It is that simple."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am curious - why can't Israel admit they have nukes? Or is it that they won't admit it or how many they have?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its funny how history began on October 7th 2023 when it comes to Gaza, but when it comes to Iran, you have to delve deep into all of the historical context for why Israel are justified in killing hundreds of Iranians (will probably be many thousand before they stop bombing them)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭plodder


    Interesting perspective on the question why so many Americans support Israel to the hilt.

    Apparently, they were all told to at Sunday school…

    A lot of the replies to this tweet seem to agree with Cruz.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One of the main reasons is that they acquired the nuclear materials illegally from another rogue state, Argentina, in the 1960s and the whole thing was done in an underhanded and extremely secretive fashion. To this day, they won't admit to having nuclear weapons or allow themselves to be subject to any international oversight of the weapons (whilst claiming to be a 'western' country and a 'democracy' and so on).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Well it's just further proof religious fanaticism isn't solely confined to Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The 'Israel' mentioned in the Bible is not even the same place or country as the entity artificially created by the Brits and others in 1948. Cruz is one Grade A religious fanatic / lunatic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭Homelander


    That goes both ways. Some people will happily claim certain historical contexts are meaningless - like the repeat coalition invasions of Israel, some bad decisions by the PLO, Iran's proxy war, etc - but then go right back to 1948 and say everything that's happened to Israel since is its own fault because the UN mandated it be created where it did.

    Either all historical context is important or none is. No-one, regardless of what side of opinion they're coming from, gets to cherry pick little scraps of history.

    And that brings me to this - no matter what way people try to dress it up, Iran is a major part of the problem. Sure, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike, and sure, maybe it's a breach of international law.

    But Iran's entire core strategy since 1979 has been to destabilize and destroy Israel in the name of religion, while brutally suppressing and oppressing its own people. I have zero sympathy. It seems to me that people here have no interest in acknowledging that Iran has walked itself into this situation.

    As I've said before, not every conflict has to have a hero and villain. There can be two bad actors, maybe one is the lesser of two evils, maybe not - that's completely subjective.

    But the idea that Israel is randomly attacking Iran for no perceivable reason, or out of some insane blood-lust, rather than due to the actions of Iran in assaulting and threatening the Israeli state for decades, is a complete denial of reality.

    You can still think Iran is getting every little thing it deserves and Israel is an out-of-control state.

    Acknowledging the war is not going very well for Iran does mean make you a flag-waving, "I ❤︎ Bibi" t-shirt wearing Zionist either.



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