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Limerick improvement projects

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  • #8222
    Vanquished
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123527683#Comment_123527683

    Absolutely. I raised this with both the Architects and Limerick 2030 staff at the consultation. I told them that yet again far too much office space is being planned at a publicly owned site. All three buildings next to the Shannon Bridge and Condell Road are set to be commercial. They were blaming "flood risk" for that decision and I asked why flood mitigation measures couldn't be designed into that parcel of the proposed scheme. They didn't answer.

    I also asked why was it that 19 months on from the unveiling of the site masterplan that no detailed designs: materials, finishes etc were being provided for the residential and public realm elements of the plan which they were holding the consultation on? No coherent answer was provided there either.

    I heard another person taking an Architect to task on the austere "Soviet" style depiction of the apartments in the model provided. He didn't offer any clarity on or defence of the form/shape as illustrated in the model. Only to say "that's broadly how they will look"

    A desperately lacklustre affair altogether!



  • #8223
    sleepyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭sleepyman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123529209#Comment_123529209

    There's so much PR guff about this site and the Opera Centre site-as you said way too much commercial.

    City needs more people living in it.



  • #8224
    mart 23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭mart 23


    Great plans and no funds for it.



  • #8225
    Poxyshamrock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    And still no word of a tenant for One Opera Square.



  • #8226
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123530894#Comment_123530894

    There is a function to increase local property taxes by as much as 15% if they need more money or perhaps they could divert some of those bike lane funds to something more useful



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  • #8227
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Local property taxes are already charged at the maximum 15% above the base rate every year in Limerick. And the Active Travel funding (which is a pittance of the amount they would need) is generally funded through various government grants.

    As to the funding, well the government will again end up picking up the tab. As it is they have €35m URDF funding which leaves them at least €465m short. TUS will provide funding for their section, but that too will come from government funding.

    Post edited by Cookiemunster on


  • #8228
    Souness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Souness


    Council are determined to make city living unliveable for residents that require cars. People who choose to live in cc and create communities being punished so that suburban dwellers can cycle into/through town if they feel like it, otherwise they will drive. Result empty cycle lanes and no provision for parking is killing this city. We don't don't have the public transport options to go carless and never will due to population density.



  • #8229
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532698#Comment_123532698

    All impiracle evidence points to the complete opposite. Removing traffic from cities and improving active travel and public transport options (BusConnects will be a game changer) lead to much more livable cities.

    And it's a complete myth that there's no parking in Limerick. The are multiple multistorey car parks and there is plenty of (some might say too much) on street parking. I bet your issue is that it's not free.



  • #8230
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532698#Comment_123532698

    To be fair, there's ample parking in the city with the one caveat that it's expensive, so obviously if you want to do your weekly shop it makes more sense to go to one of the out-of-city shopping centres than Arthurs or Harveys Quay.

    The empty cycle lanes argument isn't one the council or active trave seem to care much about and some on here will claim they are used 24/7 and always packed



  • #8231
    source
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭source


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533091#Comment_123533091

    I wouldn't claim that and I'm a strong proponent of proper cycle lanes. What I will say is that during peak periods they are used a lot more than you'd think.

    I live on SCR and cycle to Plassey every day. It takes me 23ish minutes to do the trip on a fully segregated cycle lane.evey time I'm on it, I'm not the only one using it. I have counted up to 30 other cyclists or scooters on this stretch in the 23 minutes I'm travelling on it. They do get used, but because they're not packed all day every day people cry foul and claim they're pointless.

    On the losing parking point that the other poster made. If you look at SCR active travel scheme, almost every single house along the route has access to off street parking, either via a driveway to the front, or a garage in a lane to the rear. The scheme has also got plans to build a couple of small car parks along the route to replace some of the removed on street parking. People don't have an entitlement to park on the public street directly outside their house, especially when they have a viable alternative, even if that is slightly more inconvenient.



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  • #8232
    Poxyshamrock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533091#Comment_123533091

    Both Dunnes and Tesco validate parking when you do a big shop so there goes that argument.

    The roads are quiet through the night and some footpaths aren’t used 24/7 either. Should be remove them?



  • #8233
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533201#Comment_123533201

    I've nothing against cycle lanes but the idea of building a cycle lane, tearing up roads and removing parking spaces without providing a viable alternative to the thousands of people we want to bring into our city is just not sustainable. The viable alternative becomes the out-of-town shopping centers when you take away access for car users.

    In fairness those 30 cyclists you encounter sounds like a lot but in fact that's only 6 full cars or half a bus equivalent doing that route. You didn't mention if it was peak or off-peak times that you'd be cycling but I can only assume it was peak which is really not a good look



  • #8234
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533358#Comment_123533358

    If you're fast enough with your shopping and don't want to hang around to visit any other shops, sure you can get an hours free parking, €3.10/hr afterwards mind…

    Well, roads and footpaths are needed 24/7 and get very busy at peak times so tearing them up wouldn't be a great idea, no. Conversely the busiest an 8km cycling route gets is 30 individual cyclists.



  • #8235
    geotrig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭geotrig


    anyway have had a brief flick through the brochure and its ok nothing that hasnt been done before .I always thought that this was earmarked for a convention centre , cork opera house type building and maybe its in it and i missed it or its far lesser a scale than I ever imagined?



  • #8236
    source
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭source


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533367#Comment_123533367

    You're completely, and possibly purposely missing my point. The rush period will be from 08:00 to 09:30. I travel at 08:00, so see the very start of the morning traffic, that traffic builds, same as the road traffic as you get closer to 09:00. What I'm seeing is the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.



  • #8237
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,343 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Oh ffs don't fall for the trolliest of topics on Boards.

    We are not even talking about any particular cycle lane. Just the usual conspiracy theory nonsense about the "anti car agenda"



  • #8238
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533398#Comment_123533398

    You didn't miss it. Limerick City badly needs such a venue, but one doesn't seem to be included in any phase of this development.



  • #8239
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,392 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533421#Comment_123533421

    Well… You didn't say that and I'm not a mind reader… If 30 is the tip of the iceberg what would you say lies beneath

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123533478#Comment_123533478

    Just because I have opposing points of view to you doesn't make me a troll. The fact that name-calling is your only reply suggests you need to take a look in the mirror to see who is wrong



  • #8240
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Today is the closing date for receipt of feedback on the Cleeves Phase One project ahead of submission of the planning application to ABP.

    The feedback form is here: https://forms.office.com/pages/responsepage.aspx?id=amc6oI3FD0uNQ5l6Xx09pnhma991SSpBhUyqfd7NWflUOURIWDhHMjYxSUxSODdMVFFHU1FWUzdDRC4u&origin=lprLink&route=shorturl

    The "Public Engagement Boards" are here

    https://limerick2030.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Cleeves-Riverside-Quarter-Public-Consultation-Boards.pdf

    Now is your chance to put your thoughts on record, even if it is only to cut and paste what you typed here.

    (Apologies that the URLs aren't linking, but they work if you copy and paste them to a browser)



  • #8241
    mart 23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭mart 23


    Did the LCCC get permission to sell the Opera Tower site to the OPW.



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  • #8242
    geotrig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭geotrig


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123556792#Comment_123556792

    damn wasnt on this sub yesterday and totally missed the deadline for this :( ,tbh I didn't think of submitting a thought only for the above i would have nearly submitted a few thoughts on it . I really dont think its ambitous enough for what this was earmarked for for so long.



  • #8243
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123557776#Comment_123557776

    The following is the press release from the OPW. It doesn’t mention the ownership structure but does indicate that the finance necessary to allow the project proceed had been secured.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/office-of-public-works/press-releases/opw-announces-government-commitment-to-proceed-with-limerick-opera-centre/


  • #8244
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,343 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It was always known that OPW would be tenants for that site.



  • #8245
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123559754#Comment_123559754

    Yes, but they now won't be tenants as they will finance, build and therefore own the building themselves.



  • #8246
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123559645#Comment_123559645

    There was a motion before last Mondays Metropolitan Council meeting to sell the site to the OPW for €1.17m, with the council taking ownership of Sarsfield House when Revenue vacate it.



  • #8247
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,343 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123559810#Comment_123559810

    What's the story with redeveloping the Arthur's Quay area. I know there was concepts drawn up but would you have any idea how serious any of that is of going all the way ?



  • #8248
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,950 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123559829#Comment_123559829

    I only know what's in the public domain. The last update was last November.

    The Council will now prepare a ‘Public Consultation Outcomes Report’ that will summarise, review the submissions made, and make recommendations on the next steps. This public consultation report will be presented to the Elected Members for their consideration.  

    The next step will be to prepare the Framework Plan and this will include undertaking a suite of additional technical appraisals, including environmental assessments. 

    https://www.limerick.ie/council/newsroom/news/update-non-statutory-public-consultation-on-the-options-report-for-arthurs



  • #8249
    Strettie11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Strettie11


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123559793#Comment_123559793

    What would be the reason for this ?



  • #8250
    Strettie11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Strettie11


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123559810#Comment_123559810

    Just read that motion and I had never realised the below

    the approval of
    Council was given at a Full Council Meeting held in November, 2021 for the disposal of the
    entire site known as the Opera Site, including the Granary to Limerick Twenty Thirty
    Strategic Development DAC.
    The full property disposal permitted under this Section 183     did not proceed with just over
    50% of the site transferring to Limerick Twenty Thirty Strategic Development DAC    . The site
    of the proposed new Library, the OPW Building, 4 Opera Square and the Granary have
    remained with the Council in the intervening period.

    Is there a reason the new library, Granary and 4 Opera Square would not transfer to Limerick 2030 or is it just a nothing sandwich



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  • #8251
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,343 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123562795#Comment_123562795

    You would assume the library is because it would only end up back under council control in the end anyway.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123562535#Comment_123562535

    Another assumption but maybe sk the OPW will fund the build and also the council now get a strategic site that they have been hoping for in exchange.



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