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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Ok. So here we have the slyly virtual signalling implication that those who still cleave to the 'maniac roaming Wicklow hills murdering random lone women' narrative deserve pats on the back, and those of us who are sceptical about that thesis are somehow uncaring.

    The truth of what LIKELY happened in MOST of these cases is far more disturbing.

    But you're not bothered doing your own research or even following the links posted on recent pages in this very thread, are you tibruit. Easier to pat yourself on the back for being so caring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭tommythecat


    It's Dunning-Kruger in full effect.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭NoeldeBournaix


    The Sundayworld describing John Thompson as the "Chief suspect in the disappearance of Fiona Pender" is another example. He may also have confirmed to that newspaper that he was arrested which may allow them to print his details.

    https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/chief-suspect-in-fiona-pender-disappearance-didnt-get-a-cent-in-compo-claim/a1697957542.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 padraig1963


    John McCarrick, Annies father, in an article in the Sunday Indo, in sept 1998 said " the movements of two men who knew her were not properly investigated. One had borrowed a car that weekend she disappeared, the other had hired a car. Neither of these cars were forensically examined..."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Weren't the 2 brothers in 30s/40s age group..... surely they already owned a car already ..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭tibruit


    It is an established fact that there was a sexual predator who roamed Leinster and showed the propensity to abduct, rape and attempt to murder a lone random woman who he did not know. Why would you be critical of someone who highlights that fact? The reality is that the disappearances of the 1990`s are a statistical aberration or alternatively we had a serial killer in our midst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 padraig1963


    The article doesn't specify who John McCarrick is referring to. Maybe its a presumption on my part that its the Brady brothers, it just says" two men who knew her". You would imagine they would have their own cars at that age alright unless the hired car scenario was part of a fabricated alibi thats now being unpicked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    in each of the sightings, the issue is that nobody actually talked to her with the knowledge of who she was, she also didn’t acknowledge anybody as far as I’m aware. Makes it much less believable imo, and certainly not to a very likely standard, imo of course. The only person who actually may have known her didn’t even see her get off, just assumed.

    All very dubious imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    I don't know how reliable this report is, for instance the time the extension was built and this affair she was about to break off. I always understood she had had an affair with the suspect before Dermot Ryan came into the picture according to Mick Rooney's blog, maybe I misunderstood the timeline or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    So now it looks like the suspect was seeing 2 women at the same time....that could get complicated for him alright.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,483 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Probably, but if you have to get rid of a body or hide a crime, using a rented car would make it more difficult for investigators as there'd be the DNA of hundreds of people on it, and if they don't realise you didn't use your own car, the rented one could end up on a scrapheap before someone copped on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭sugarman20


    It's interesting the amount of information that's being leaked. You'd imagine that it's deliberate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    That'd a good reason alright especially if they claim their own car wasn't roadworthy at that time..they must have been watching CSI investigation episodes on RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Well she wasn`t working that day so that limits the possibility of confusing the day itself with another day. It is clear based on her phone call to Anne O Dwyer that it was her intention to travel to Enniskerry. She was seen by Bernard Sheeran leaving her apartment that afternoon. Dunno if he actually knew her. She was seen by Bruno Borza walking in the direction where she got the 18 bus. He ran the local takeaway so he may have known her. The driver of the 18 bus said she had to run to stop him and get on. Minimally she would have said "thank you" which would have exposed her American accent.

    Then Eimear O Grady saw her get on the 44. Eimear knew her but didn`t see her get off the bus so Annie would have got off somewhere between Milltown and Enniskerry. She had been in Johnnie Fox`s a couple of times previously and told her flatmates how much she liked it and wanted to bring them there in the future. They were both away that weekend.

    It seems to me that a whole bunch of posters have got themselves all worked up into a lather and ridiculed this line of evidence on no good basis. She may have been with her killer in Johnnie Fox`s. The woman seen there was in the company of a clean shaven brown haired man. I don`t know if that fits the description of the current suspect. She may have met her killer in Enniskerry and not gone to Johnnie Fox`s at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭cobham


    Interesting points…. she might have contacted another person and organised outing to Enniskerry but to meet him there, perhaps to tie in with him finishing work. If he had a car, that would sort how they got to Johnny Foxes and how she would get home late in evening after the 'session'.

    Was there not a report of her being in the local cafe, Poppys, with a man?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Don't twist my words. I said

    Of the seven young women who disappeared in Leinster in those years, all but one - Deirdre Jacob - were almost certainly murdered by someone they knew, not Larry Murphy or any other serial killer.

    Did you not read the word "almost"

    I clarified that to say that the Gardai believe Jo Jo Dullard was killed by a local man - not a wandering serial killer - who picked her up hitchhiking. Another poster suggested that Deirdre Jacob should also by excluded from the "vanishing triangle" theory because a carpenter who was doing work for her grandmother is a suspect.

    In any event, my point remains: there is no evidence linking a single one of these murders to any other and yet we were fed stories that all these women were victims of a roaming serial killer on the loose in a "triangle" which happened to include half the population. It made good copy for the crime journalists and it gave an excuse to local Gardai who failed to investigate these disappearances promptly.

    So, put your cards on the table, tibruit -

    Do you believe there was a "vanishing triangle" i.e. that these seven women were victims of serial killer(s)?

    Do you believe Annie McCarrick was in Johnnie Foxes on the night of her disappearance, abandoning her dinner guests and the shopping?

    Or are you just nitpicking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭tibruit


    I'm open minded about it all. I don't share any of your certainty, almost or otherwise. I don't know if Annie was in Johnnie Fox's on the 26th.

    But the disappearances of the 90s are an anomaly and they by and large ended when Larry Murphy was arrested.

    Based on at least one well documented case they're going to need something more than an undermined alibi to charge the current person of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    The suspect must be under a lot of mental pressure now especially with his name and county out there in press/social media..… drip feeding of more damming information adding to this drama



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭Banjo Carney


    Another poster suggested that Deirdre Jacob should also by excluded from the "vanishing triangle" theory because a carpenter who was doing work for her grandmother is a suspect.

    I never heard that about a carpenter working for her grandmother being a suspect but there was a story doing the rounds that Larry Murphy was working in the area at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭tibruit




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭New Scottman


    Today's Irish Mirror

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/annie-mccarrick-tried-end-secret-35413662

    "Exclusive: It can be revealed today that Annie McCarrick – who complained of being stalked even assaulted by the suspect – tried to end the relationship"

    Tried just before the disappearance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Tis fair enough to be open minded, and also there is chance she went at least to Enniskerry, perhaps even Johnnie Foxes, however there should be due diligence put into some of the other lines of enquiry also. It was a bit myopic to heavily focus on that one. In fairness the initial just thought she was a missing person, got lost in the mountains type thing perhaps. Not out of the realm of possibility, just a bit extraordinary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    In fact he is innocent, until proven guilty, they really must have something pretty concrete to risk a witch hunt, which is what they will get if they keep this up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I just mean that in the eyes of the law he has been innocent the whole time, until he is proven guilty, which is a pretty high threshold to hit especially after all this time, and with no body. To be leaking this information now at this time, I get that the alibi might now have vanished, and they must been trying to shake out some additional witnesses or something like that. They must really strongly believe they can secure a conviction and find the body to risk ruining someone's life over. Personally I believe she was murdered, and perhaps by the chief suspect, but beyond reasonable doubt, not a guarantee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    No doubt a dodgy alibi lays a good foundation for the investigation so far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭New Scottman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Thing is they must have suspected for a long time, perhaps right of the bat that the alibi was dodgy. I mean alibis are notoriously unreliable when it's just someone that you know, with no other evidence to back it up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    There's a third alternative, which is if anything more disturbing - that they weren't a statistical aberration. That a blind eye was turned, up to a point, in sections of Irish society to crimes, even murders involving spousal/girlfriend abuse by male partners. (I'm not saying that explains all the cases.)



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