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Dun Laoghaire Traffic & Commuting Chat

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The DLR Connector proposal.

    https://www.dlrcoco.ie/active-travel/dlr-connector



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭Mav11


    "Living Streets" went out for consultation Dec 2022………..still waiting for implementation. Consultations by DLRCC only legitimises and gives cover for "doing nothing".

    Waste of time attending these events IMHO!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The fact they are only giving 1 days notification for this is quite telling imo, I personally know 1 business owner in the village, have seen letters from 2-3 others regarding it and know multiple local residents, all are against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    People never like change, especially retail businesses.

    The fact remains that the vast majority of cars coming down Kilmacud Road Upper to Dundrum crossroads are using it as a route to Barton Road East and not to visit the village.

    Traffic coming from Ballinteer Road is very low.

    Most of them also probably don’t understand the context of the large increase in bus traffic that will happen in 2026 when the A2 and A4 replace the 14 (doubling the frequency), and the need for them not to be stuck in a traffic jam at the start of their route.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Oh that lark again. It has been quite stop-start after the initial splash in 2022 alright.

    At a minimum if I could recommend one cycle path design be never repeated: it's at the junction of the Drummartin Link Rd and Kilmacud Rd Lower while cycling South (towards the Beacon). The cycle lane gets segregated from the main road and onto the shared path where it abruptly stops at the pedestrian lights to cross the Lower Kilmacud Rd. Cyclists are then left waiting for a cyclist-specific pedestrian light (red dot) for a period while outbound traffic filters off left to Kilmacud.

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    I get the objective of protection of the cyclists, but it's a level of shepherding that's not justified for the majority of cyclists. Avoiding the segregation and joining the filter-lane (to go straight) may seem trivial from a top-down view, except it's not as the combination of plastic bollards and moving traffic make it hard to merge in all but the lightest traffic.

    A harsh 2/10 for that effort, DLRCoCo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,019 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed that junction is pretty badly designed now, what they have planned for the Birches Lane turn off from Upper Kilamcud or the actual path alone Upper Kilmacud until it turns into Eden Park is just as bad if not worse, i drive it frequently and the video they have of the plan is quite simply not showing the reality of how narrow that footpath is unless they plan to CPO all the gardens, in fact the entire plan from dundrum village up to eden park is absolute spaghetti garbage.

    I dont cycle and am in favour of more cycle paths but this entire plan seems completely half baked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    I haven't been there, but this sound a bit like the situation cycling south through the Temple Hill junction in Blackrock; the tiny window of time given to cyclists there is digraceful. More generally, it seems that cyclsts are being 'put back in a box' to cross with pedestrian at all planned crosroads. I've made related comments in feedback I sent to the public consultation, as I whined here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I personally think that the Temple Hill junction is fine - I haven't experienced any issues with the timing. Possibly the fact that there are bike detection diamonds in the cyclepath (to trigger the lights) make it more acceptable to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    The cryptic square that look like manhole or other infrastructure covers? I was wondering if they were sensors, and try to stnd on just in case, but in any case I usually have to wait for ages



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    It's more like a diamond cut into the tarmac. Partially visible here in this image:

    Screenshot_20250610_120825_Maps.jpg

    They are induction loops, detect metal objects such as bikes. Not sure they work on full CF frames though!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    I ride a CF frame they do detect them there is another one couple of meters down from that picture as you cycle to up towards the lights

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Ah, so not weight-based, induction loop sensing metal? I have a carbon frame but metal wheels - don't know the status of that! Pretty sure I've had a few occasions where there was no cycle (or pedestrian) phase at all while rvehicle lights went from left+ahead to left-only and back. Been meaning to ask the council about the stuation here, but have such a long list of things to query & complain about I can never choose what to start with!

    ETA - just saw Marty Bird's comment before posting this, so maybe I'm 'doing it wrong'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    [mistake, deleted]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Thanks. I can't see any others looking on streetview now, though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They gave a lot more than 1 days notice???

    Let me guess - the same tired old drones in the village who told us that the one way system would destroy the village!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    From April 2025 Chief Executives report; https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/dlrcoco/files/2025-04/March%202025%20Chief%20Executive%20Report.pdf

    "Living Streets Dún Laoghaire Phase 1: The tender has been completed and we are in the process of appointing the contractor with a view to commencement on site in the coming weeks."

    If you don't want to go to the consultation event, you don't have to go. It's not compulsory. If you want more information and understanding, it would seem like a sensible option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Reminds me of a friend in the 90's. He used to cycle a standard steel-frame racer from Stillorgan to Blackrock late at night, crossing the N11 at 'Blakes' cross. The induction loop would never detect him on the bike and he's be waiting ages for another vehicle to come behind him to trigger the light so that he could cross safely. Anyway using his bit of electrical knowledge he figured that he'd get off the bike before the lights and and place it lying down across the induction loop, pickup the bike and then cycle on when the lights changed… All sorted.

    So this one night he was doing his induction-loop thing at the lights, lights changed, he cycled down Stillorgan Pk Road only to be caught further on down by a Garda car with it's lights on. Anyway the Garda jumped out and told him that they observed him falling off his bike at the lights and formed the opinion that he was unsafe to be on the road. He argued the point (he was bar-staff in the Millhouse) and explained about the detection loops in the road not picking up his bike. Well the Gardai had never heard the likes of this voodoo magic and suspected he was wired to the moon, and got a Garda van to collect him and his bike to bring it back to the old Garda shop off the main street in Blackrock for a breath test. 😂

    Anyway in he went, blew a 0.0 on the breathalyser and started explaining the situation to the desk sergeant. Luckly the Sergeant knew what he was on about so he had a chat and dismissed whatever suspicions the other Guards had about him and had them drive him and his bike back home. Oh did I laugh at his 10min cycle turning into a 2 hour escapade that night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    😂🤣😂 Like something from a Flann O'Brien novel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Many thanks for the advice Andrew, as to whether I should go or not. I would never have thought of that.
    Feeling a little sanctimonious lately, are we?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    So……….if I live in say Wynberg Park and I want to drive to IADT I will be forced to drive to Deansgrange Road and enter the mess that is Deansgrange and Bakers crossroads, even after the so called "improvements" it will still be a mess or I will be forced to rat run through Windsor Park with its associated mountains of speed ramps. This makes no sense whatsoever, access from Stradbrook Road to the "roundabout" must be retained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I just cycled that route by chance. I can confirm that there is also a detector about 50m in front of the lights!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    Thanks - just doing a virtual cycle now I realise it may be this?

    image.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    No one is FORCING you to drive on a <2km journey. You could walk in 20 minutes or cycle in 10 minutes. If you must drive, you could cut through Windsor Park or St Fintans Park, both fairly short detours.
    Do you really think a major development like this should be held up because you don't like speed bumps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I got the feeling that your dislike of consultation events was based around an expectation that you could go along there and tell them what to do and then they would do it. That's not how public consultation works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    No, its the wheelchair bound passenger that does not like speedbumps, nor are they able to walk or cycle. Try engaging your brain before you use your fingers to type.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,862 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Playing devil’s advocate, how many people are going to do that specific trip?

    Could you not use Deansgrange Road, the L1024 link road, Monkstown Avenue, Oliver Plunkett Road and Kill Avenue if you don’t want to use Windsor Park or the two crossroads you mention?

    Realistically, while this particular proposal might irk quite a number of people (as any road changes always do), the numbers that would have a significantly longer route are small enough, being only those living on/off Stradbrook Road between Deansgrange Road and the TEK roundabout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    That's them.

    Don't forget to lie down flat, they work best that way. 😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭nomdeboardie


    😅 (Hmm, +maybe stay down in a sit-down protest to highlight that THEY'RE NOTHING MORE THAN PLACEBOS (in my humble experience) 🤪)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The proposal from DLRCC to change the TEK roundabout at Stradbrook Hill to a 3 way signalised junction cutting off vehicle access is one of 3 options being proposed from the council.

    There are two other options being proposed from the council which retains vehicle access outside Rockford Manor to drive down to Wynberg Park and further on down to Temple Hill written in the consultation.

    The Blackrock Rugby Club and some administrative office blocks which also includes a playschool or a creche & a large number of homes located on that stretch of road. They could make their voices in this consultation if they wanted to do it over the next few weeks.

    I personally don't like the new proposal for the 3 way signal junction myself which removes that section of vehicle access outside the Rockford Manor secondary school.

    My main reason for not liking that proposal is going to make the traffic levels from Stradbrook Hill to the Rock Road QBC much worse when tailbacks of traffic are seen along that in the morning peak times.

    There are also 3 BusConnects routes being introduced to serve that roundabout under the B-Spine changes within the next year or two. They are the B4, P11 & P12. Those new bus routes will serve the TEK roundabout when coming from areas like Rowanbyrn & Rowan Park on Stradbrook Road.

    The L25 & the L27 are the only BusConnects routes that goes past that roundabout at the moment. The two other non busconnected routes that serve the roundabouts are the 7b & 7d. If long tailbacks of traffic occur when one section of road is being permanently closed off from vehicle traffic near the roundabout. These bus routes that roundabout may have huge issues with trying to maintain their timetables in the near future.

    If you are against the proposal for the changes to the roundabout; have you spoken to any your neighbours yet about the project during the past week?



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