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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    he died from cocaine , you’d want to be dense or easily led to think that’s cool



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw




  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    You'd want to be even more dense if you wanted to aspire to be like Gerry Ryan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,512 ✭✭✭jj880


    I live in a small town in Donegal. It's cocaine in every pub you go to and not just for teens and those in their twenties.

    A lot of the people I grew up with (now in their 40s) are on the bag every weekend. I havent been in a pub now for over 2 years but the routine even then was house party or go to the pub for a few and then a house party with drugs until the next morning.

    There used to be 16 pubs in the town. Now there are about 4 that stay open full time. Prices are mental but Im sure their costs are well up also. A few others only open for a charity quiz night or if requested by a band etc.. The rest all shut years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,281 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Haven't seen it mentioned but wonder what the impact of the improvement of smartphone cameras has been. Maybe young people don't want to get too p1ssed and have so called friends record them acting like a tit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭George White




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    Just not happening as much. What is still happening has been replaced by tinder etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭yagan


    Before the great population bulge as emigration waned most Irish pubs were also homes. Around the late 80s when I first started going to the pub most were owner operator, often with family members or relations serving behind the bar.

    There was a cosy intimacy because you were literally often drinking in the business part of someones home. In my hometown there was even five pubs in a row that were owner occupier run, there were many kids in my school who grew up in a pub.

    Now not one of those five pubs are lived in but still operate as pubs, although I think many are shut during the week. Some had the living quarters turned into guest accommodation for weekenders.

    One of those five pubs was run by a bachelor who'd close early if he felt like going to bed and he'd tell groups to try the other pubs as his was a quiet pub. Most of his regulars were one or two pint regulars, watch snooker on the TV, read the paper, basically escaping the clatter of kids at home. The funniest thing about that pub was when the smoking ban came in, which he supported, all his regulars started complaining about the stench off the furniture now that they could smell it without smoke masking it!

    A lot of pubs were the same. When I hear of pub closures I know a good portion of them weren't exactly vibrant social hubs to begin with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Plus the pressure to portray the perfect life for social media. Falling out of a nightclub at 2am or getting into a fight outside Supermacs wouldn't slot very well into a perfectly curated Instagram feed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,281 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Hello, fellow Galway man. Remember how people looked like Zombies eating Taco Fries under that sickly yellow fluorescent lighting with dark post puke bloodshot eyes? Not very Insta ready!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    I remember the bebo/early facebook days when people posted photos of themselves mouldy drunk on nights out. The dimly lit venues and red eyes on everyone. 😄

    Eventually the nightclubs started using professional photographers and getting minor celebrities to make appearances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    My old local ,The Blacker in Coolock is the same(provided we're not talking about the same spot). The guards used to be outside at closing time every night.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    things have definitely changed since Covid. My local village had one pub. purely as a pub by the owner for many years. It could be busy and the and on a Friday night. it was a local hub for some of the older generation to go in and catch up and have a chat. It was great during the day we groups and other local groups could pop in and have a coffee a chat. It had good Guinness, which is kind of important in a rural area and the owner was trying to diversify even putting in some craft beer taps. The definitely had a bit of an effect. Prior to that locals drive so most evenings. I’m not arguing about the ban really but transport is definitely important in a area. It can be pretty hard to get a lot of the time.

    the original owner sold up and the was taken somebody who wanted to do food primarily. That didn’t last long. It turned into the kind of place you wouldn’t really want to go. There is nothing wrong with food pubs but you need to manage it properly. If you don’t want it means that the pub gets very quiet after nine or 10 o’clock. It’s not much good to stage wanting to come in for a pint. Sometimes I think a lot of really want that.

    Look, it’s fine if you want to go to the gym to meet up with people in other places other ways. That’s great if you have those facilities around you. In a very roar aren’t that many outlets. You also have to bear in mind that Some people won’t drive and if you don’t drive Aurora area then you are quite cut off so for some the local pub is The way things are going it’s not just pubs that are closing, social life is going down the tubes. Post offices are closing, churches are closing. traditional meeting spots are going away not good for people and not good for their mental health.

    I’ve also read a lot of people pubs being alcoholics. Yeah, some of them are, but it’s not a huge amount. It really comes down to the publican. There are places that will feed drink until you fall the floor and spend your last but other places that will be more responsible. The vast majority going into pubs are there to socialise, and to do the following day so nobody is getting . With the not alcoholic beer that need to drink. The sad truth though is that now they aren’t even pubs to drink in a lot of places.

    That brings me back to Covid. My running most nights a week started to close down and might now open on Thursday and cater to the weekend crowd. Similarly, that whole episode broke down habits of heading to the Pound on a weekend. I think it’s fair to say that if you live in a very rural area, life is probably lonely or now than it was even seven years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    "social life is going down the tubes. Post offices are closing, churches are closing. traditional meeting spots are going away not good for people and not good for their mental health."

    You say this like its not unexpected. Church numbers have been falling for years. My local church consistent attendees youngest would be in their late 60s. Give it 20-30 years and all the churches will be gone.

    Won't comment about the post offices. We still need those.

    Peoples meeting spots have simply changed. The pub and church are no longer the social hub that it was and we need to stop trying to save them.

    The generation that considered these places the social hubs will be dead in 20-30 years. Middle aged people now are adapting and conducting social activities elsewhere.

    They cannot be saved. The younger generation will not be replacing the old simply for the sake of keeping the pub industry alive.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    you may have misunderstood what I was saying. But I actually meant is that a lot of traditional going away but nothing is there to replace them. I don’t think anyone is advocating for artificially keeping outlets in place when maybe should go but I struggle to actually think of what would replace any of these things. And it’s fine to think “oh it’s not a big problem” if you live in a large town or even the city. At that point you’re pretty much just saying I’m alright, Jack.

    I’m sure the government could do something regarding the Make it easier to set up a business serving alcohol or at least licenses to the general area they were in rather than all licenses being hoovered up and used elsewhere. If you think a café or a coffee shop is the solution then think again. They don’t open late and I have in coffee shops that did open late of the larger cities and honestly it just wasn’t that great.

    It’s also easy to say that the current generation be dead in 20 or 30 years. That’s nonsense. What happens when people today who are out doing whatever they’re doing find themselves living in a area with no taxis and with little outlets left? be all things but at least it’s a social hub. Your views and your requirements will change as you get older. It sounds like a lot of people here aren’t considering that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,433 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Personally I've no idea what young people are up to these days. But what is blatantly evident and all the data backs up is the growth of loneliness and perpetually online. Stats indicate people have less real life friends than past generations.

    Fitness is fine but when it's coupled up with a for looks minimum beauty standards Instagramable face and body is it better? Is the explosion in lip fillers and corner shop face surgeries amongst teenagers and early 20s an improvement and an indicator of better personal habits?

    I mean people can crow all they like about drunk culture and pub culture but what is replacing it. Is alcohol the problem... Really…

    Lots going on in today's world but I don't think the death of social in person outlets is a celebration myself. And the fitness gurus refuse to discuss how they use their platforms to manipulate people's perception of themselves and what they should and shouldn't be doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭yagan


    Car culture has changed how we and many societies live. I'm of a generation where 5 kids and two parents squeezed into a three bed house was a norm and pubs were a nearby place you went to for peace and quiet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    "I’m sure the government could do something regarding the Make it easier to set up a business serving alcohol or at least licenses to the general area they were in rather than all licenses being hoovered up and used elsewhere. If you think a café or a coffee shop is the solution then think again. They don’t open late and I have in coffee shops that did open late of the larger cities and honestly it just wasn’t that great."

    You could grant 1 million licenses tomorrow and some people would still not come. That 'some' group is growing year by year. A reason I don't like the pub (one of many) is smokers. The smell is abhorrent and many young people would feel the same I imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,433 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You can't smoke in pubs, for one.

    Two smoking is back on the rise in young people now than at any point in decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Interestingly enough, there was never any discussion about the health implications of binge drinking and poor eating habits 20 or 30 years ago.

    Now people are drinking less, eating healthier, going to the gym more and yet anxiety and depression are more prevalent than ever. Its like we've done a complete 180.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well depression wasn't easy to talk about as people were still afraid of being committed into institutions against their will.

    Recording suicides was problematic too because of religious dogma.

    It's only now that discussing depression is acceptable so can seem as if it's a greater problem than when it was unmentionable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭heffo500


    I didn't see this changing the price of alcohol in pubs as they were already above the minimums. It did make off licence a lot more expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    That's true. I reckon there are also some younger people using mental health as an excuse when things get tough in work or whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,948 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Alot of pubs , even in towns only open at 5pm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭yagan


    It's like we've gone from discussing mental wellbeing being taboo to actively encouraging diagnosing every time we feel blue as being a crisis.

    At least "I had drink taken your honor" is no longer an acceptable excuse for beating the crap out of your partner who couldn't legally get divorced from a violent partner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭heffo500


    I wouldn't knock that, it's incredibly strong brand and has brought an awful lot of money into this country. I don't think any country would relish to see their own recognisable brand diminish.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    This seems to be like debating alcohol legislation with AAINst this stage. Arguing for some moderation and social outlet with zealots who want it all shut down.

    From what I see, young people aren’t going to pubs but have switched their drug of choice from alcohol to coke. I’m not seeing much condemnation of this from the cohort who are supportive of pubs going away. Ironically we’re left with house parties and taking as much of your chosen drug as you wish. Reputable pubs will stop serving you if you get beyond the point of being a reasonable customer. If you fall or have an episode of done sort, there is at least one sober person behind the bar to call for help. Not sure about house parties.

    Being happy to see pubs closing while turning a blind eye to the long term and short term use of drugs seems myopic. Most of the pub clientele are out fur 2-3 pints and off home after that. Will you want to be doing house parties and coke in your 50s? Aside from drugs, will you want to be doing shots and shorts in your fifties? I’ll answer that actually. You won’t. Every town and village needs a Center point. Here there is a pent up demand for the closed local pub to open but it seems unlikely now it will. In many small parts of the country the pub is the only local amenity and shoukd be encouraged but also shoukd be encouraged and helped to diversity. Thst comes down to the owner of course but pubs aren’t bad as a gevrral rule. Life happens. You change. I’m not living the same kind of life bite as in did in my 20s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,137 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Obviously prices in pubs were already well above MUP so it had no direct effect there.

    However there was a secondary effect because MUP made the drinks consumed at home more expensive.

    Clearly people who drink are the target market for pubs.

    Anything that reduces the amount of their disposable income is bad for pubs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭yagan


    I usually buy a four pack of beamish or a bottle of wine at the weekend and I really haven't noticed any real price difference because of mup.

    If anything wine offers have gotten better since then. I read somewhere that aging western societies simply drink less and now wine surpluses are common.



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