Cannabis to be legalised 😁!

Young people shouldn't take cannabis, especially strong cannabis.

The unfortunate thing though is that Deco from the flats doesn't

A: Have an extensive selection of well labelled different varieties of cannabis. More often than not, he has the one that will, "blow your mind".

B: Ask people for ID like a regulated business would have to.

Would it not be a lot easier for people to be honest if they could talk through their legal purchase with a licenced professional, choose from a larger selection, including weaker strains?

This is the point where I usually mention that prohibition lead to the sale of much stronger spirits, rather than the more moderate beers that became available afterwards.

Not everyone (most) don't enjoy being "monged", but a little buzz is nice. Just hard to find.

Because prohibition has been proved not to be an effective way of dealing with drugs . And I'm not talking about giving children weed , I'm talking about consenting adults. Legalisation doesn't necessarily mean a free for all

The issue is the word "dangerous". All drugs are "dangerous". Recreational or medical. And a word that describes everything, describes nothing.

So your disagreements are likely rooted not in whether the drug is "dangerous" or not - but what you even mean when you say "dangerous" in the first place. All sports are dangerous. But we do not really go around complaining about Lawn Bowling in the same way we might complain about UFC or NFL.

So nuance is required. HOW dangerous is it? Compared to what? And what are the benefits that mediate whether that danger is worth the risks and the freedoms and the policing? And WHO is it dangerous for exactly, and why? Most people most of the time experience no negatives from Cannabis and Alcohol.

Ah it's the cop out man who definitely isn't pretending 4 paragraphs makes an "essay" just so he can cop out of rebutting things he can not rebut. 🤣

The "alter it a bit" statement is a really sweeping dodge though. I listed a number of reasons it would not be transferable. You would not be altering it "a bit". You would be altering it MASSIVELY to get it to A) work or even B) be accepted in this country. But I somewhat suspect you are not about to (or even able to) lay out what those changes would need to be, or how you would even BEGIN to get at implementing it.

Quite literally the only basis you have offered for thinking their system would be applicable here - is to mention that their population number is similar to ours. One single data point out of a plethora. I only hope anyone in government who comes to enacting any policy change is massively more informed, competent, and prepared than that.

As for my "personal interest" I have laid out what that is and am happy to do so again if it's not just to give you a Gish Gallop to hide behind. What decriminalization is NOT likely to do however is affect my own person usage of such drugs one iota.

That would be the ideal situation, certainly.

But as demonstrated in this thread, some people dismiss the fact that cannabis is harmful with a handwave. Being honest, and accepting the facts doesn't depend on the substance being legal.

Just to clarify, I wasn't the one using the description "dangerous" - I was challenging the post saying that it wasn't dangerous, which I believe is erroneous.

Agreed. But caution in the other direction is warranted too. Some people dismiss the fact that many of those harms exist BECAUSE it is illegal with a ready hand wave too.

Street versions, illegal versions, and so on come with no industry regulation. They can have any strains and any strengths and can be cut with anything. And many of the (very real) issues caused by this are the issues people against cannabis will use to argue for it's "harms" and keeping it illegal.

So I on the "PRO" side am more than happy to discuss the risks and harms openly and honestly but only if we discuss the actual risks and harms that would be inherent in an industry regulated, legal, standard off the shelf product.

The honest discussion has to go both ways.

Largely agree with those sentiments, however I would be more on the decriminalisation side of the argument, rather than legalisation.

Bias warning!!! - I believe that Irish people, in general, are not mature enough or restrained enough to deal responsibly with any kind of drug, especially alcohol, so adding a new legal drug to the mix, simply would increase the workload of the already over-taxed health system.

Anyhow, it's all a moot point, as decriminalisation or legalisation is quite unlikely in Ireland in the foreseeable future.

Re 2:

We have a much more spread out population, Singapore is very urbanised.

We don't have the same percentage of police officers. Singapore are way ahead.

Do you think people would be ok with police conducting invasive random searches in business, offices, factories etc with no warrant/suspicion?