Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Of course it's easy to make bread with flour, water and fat. A bit of yeast is a nice touch. Plus an oven.

So, let's have a little think about that.
Flour - check

Water - err, Israeli has bombed all the desalination plants

Fat - no hope

Yeast - no hope

Fuel for oven - no hope

Have you ever eaten raw flour?

I see you can't solve the mystery of why there are warehouses full of flour in Gaza and yet Gazans are not receiving them. You're only inventing new "problems" to try to explain that away, but you're speculating. Remember how all the hospitals were running out of fuel for their generators before the ceasefire, yet every time there was a hostage handover, all the Hamas vehicles looked all nice and shiney and new, and there was no shortage of fuel for their jeeps, clearly.

Because Hamas is taking it all. And probably that warehouse was for Hamas as well.

Posted here just a few days ago - Israel, having been asked multiple times, have provide zero evidence of UNWRA involvement with Hamas

You are absolutely right, not an expert at all

And tbh, I've read a few of your posts over the last few months - one of the differences between me and you is that I wouldn't claim or pretend to be.

Seems you're on a bit of a roll and behind the news cycle by a lot.

Israel controls all crossings. Food to feed the whole of Gaza for many months is waiting at the border - Israel won't let it in.

Of course, you may not be behind the times at all. If that's the case, the deflection and whataboutery is just as tiresome as it has always been.

If you're not, then hopefully the facts will fill in on what you may have missed.

i know, absolute delusion. Not sure the motivation but it seems warped. I'd love to see his flour and water bread after 2 years of war, bombing, hunger, malnutrition, thirst, exposure, trauma and continuous displacement.

Yet you quote what Hamas has offered as what we should be swallowing as its what you've swallowed and are preaching at me. A little bit of hypocrisy from your posts I feel. Below is what you use for reasoning.

"Hamas has offered, multiple times, the following:

They'll return all hostages and leave Gaza.

In return, all they ask is stop the war and let aid into Gaza.

So, clearly, they do actually have some care for Gazans."

I could recount to you that Israel stated that to stop the war was the release of the hostages and for Hamas to get out of Gaza.

As posted, the UN are supplanted. Another item you seem to have missed is that Israel has set up 4 or 5 concentration (the words of Smotrich) camps that are for delivering aid.

These are the typical tactics seen in posts that justify, support and revel in wholesale genocide, war crimes and ethic cleansing.

I suspect recent posts are just an extension of those past posts - throw as much of the Hasbara out as possible and see if anything sticks.

Unfortunately, the facts are clear and now world leaders, including Israelis, are calling a halt to the campaign.

The dead giveaway is that there are clear and strong counterarguments, corroborated from multiple sources, to every single point.

so no, none of it is sticking at all.

But as posted previously, it's a free world. If people are happy to cheer on the murder if innocents (except Israelis of course), there's nothing to be done about it.

I didn't say the UN couldn't do it - Israel won't let them.

No lies - only facts. Have a read back and you'll see the corroborated evidence.

That 'Gaza Humanitarian Foundation' thing is a sham. Numerous experts in the field have said in no way should heavily armed military, ex-military or mercenaries be involved in distributing aid to starving people: that is strictly a job for the UN, Médecins Sans Frontières, the Red Crescent and other aid agencies.

In fairness, what that poster said was part of Hamas side of the ceasefire agreement that was negotiated was it not?

The Hamas side of the agreement was adhered to by all accounts - not smooth, not pretty with all those terrorists parading around the hostages, but was technically stuck to.

I haven't heard or read any reason to believe they wouldn't have continued to stick to their side, and we'll never know as Israel broke the ceasefire and have doubled down on killing thousands of civilians.

If you are arguing that Israel would end the war if hostages were released, I don't believe it due to the above. Do you? Imo they have chosen war and continued ethnic cleansing over their own vulnerable people being held in captivity.

I also don't believe it as there are no Hamas and no hostages in the West bank, and they are taking over there as well.

I've only ever reported what reputable journalists report. I'm not in Gaza, I'm not in Israel. Like all of us.

The likes of the BBC, RTE, Haaretz seldom get it wrong. When they do, they correct it - and I report the corrections.

I've even done my best to be balanced - then I got savaged for reporting the death of an Israeli newborn.

I believe what I believe. I read multiple sources and corroborated evidence. I then post here. I don't demand anyone believes anything I post. I don't purport that all I post if fact.

As for your direct question re Hamas - I don't know what they will do. I know what they have said they'll do. There has to be a fair bit of truth in it or why would all the negotiators still bother their backsides keeping the channels to Hamas open? They even had direct talks with the US. Do you thing the US would negotiate with liars?

What I can be sure of though is that if Hamas say one thing then do another, they will lose all credibility.

But isn't is funny how you talk about the trustworthiness of Hamas yet avoid asking questions of Israel?

The IDF are demonstrable liars and it was Israel that reneged on the last ceasefire deal.

And unlike some posts who consistently avoid answering direct questions, I do actually give direct answers to direct questions. So no idea where you got the impression I don't.

I'm all about saving lives and could care less what Hamas think - I think all hostages should be released and they should get gone this instant and aid flow in etc. But that won't stop what's happening - Israel do not need the excuse of Hamas to keep the war going - they are at the same craic in the West bank where there is no Hamas. Where is the world coming down on them for this? A few comments here and there is all we see.

We all see what's happening. The media is telling us - though they are subdued. Experts in genocide are telling us. Israeli politicians in government and in opposition are telling us. I understand the human urge to think something so obvious couldn't be happening, or we are misunderstanding events, that those IDF lads are like us or fighting for us and really the good guys and couldn't possibly be carrying this out, especially given Israelis own history.

But they are. They are like Hamas with bigger guns and connections, and they are systematically trying to destroy a people. It's happening, and unless something drastic changes in the way this country is allowed to operate, they will succeed.

Remember when the IDF swore blind the 15 medics they executed were not displaying vehicle lights? I do.

Seems they got half caught out this time and changed their story fairly quickly. Still denying it of course.

It'll be no surprise if they are subsequently caught telling yet another massive fib (which seems likely) to hide their War Crimes.

At least 31 Palestinians were killed and over 200 wounded by gunfire near an aid distribution site in Rafah, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

• Eyewitnesses told the Associated Press that thousands of people headed toward the distribution site hours before dawn, congregating at the Flag Roundabout, about a kilometer away, as they waited for the site to open. They said Israeli forces ordered people to disperse and come back later – before opening fire. An Associated Press reporter saw dozens of people being treated at the hospital.
• The IDF denied the "false reports," saying that soldiers "did not fire at civilians while they were near or within the humanitarian aid distribution site." Initially, the IDF said it was "unaware" of any injuries caused by its fire and that the incident was "under review."