Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I cannot see Hamas being any kind of stumbling block at all.

Of course, Israel would have the world believe that if Hamas is not utterly crushed, within a few days they'd regroup, have a well equipped fighting force of tens of thousands, with air support, heavy tank support, artillery, ballistic missiles, war ships, an aircraft carrier and nuclear weapons.

Hamas has been a busted flush for at least a year.

But the Hasbara would have you believe they have a lot more than a few Toyota hi luxes and pipe bombs made of water pipes.

Ever the optimist.

I'm not surprised at your response either, or many others. Israel I know and freely admit have proven to be liars and anything else you care to call them. But to think Hamas is trustworthy or a bit more trustworthy even is ridiculous int the extreme. You're rhetoric is the epitome of a Hamas supporter no matter what your view really is.

Haha. Why peeps here are scratching their heads why those two nations in question can't get on together... All about ballance and being civilised on boards is as close to definite answer to the conflict as possible. Now you've entered minefield, you are either gonna be called genocide supporter or antisemitic and no one is gonna give a two fingers that you are neither...

People are either anti Israel or anti Palestinian on this thread. You can take that to mean anti all Jews or anti all Arabs if you really want (both semetic people). There isn't anyone anti both (anti semetic).

I never said Hamas were trustworthy at all. And I've made my position clear throughout this thread - Hamas must be eliminated.

But reading the the Hasbara, which it appears you have clearly swallowed ("you're anti Israel so you must be a Hamas supporter"), you'd think Israel were fighting a force of tens of thousands of crack troops armed to the teeth with the latest weaponry.

All that's happening now is Israel is using the bogeyman of Hamas to ethnically cleanse innocent civilians from Gaza so they can fully annex it. If people can't see that, they're not listening to the Israelis.

My point was mainly about the anti-religious angle some are taking from the thread. Its about how 2 groups of people are fighting, not about their religious affiliation and hence not anti semetic (in the truest sense of that word, I.e. for Jews and Arabs worldwide)

The 'food' wasn't ready for human consumption - it was wheat flour basically:

"Desperate hunger drove crowds of people to overrun a World Food Programme (WFP) warehouse in central Gaza on Wednesday, reportedly leaving two dead and several injured in a chaotic scramble for food.

The incident took place at WFP’s Al-Ghafari facility in Deir Al-Balah, where limited stocks of wheat flour had been pre-positioned for use by the few bakeries which have been able to resume operations."

They will ignore it because they want to ignore it so that they can continue to support Israel

No I think they are being starved. But it seems the UN is complicit.

Well haven't Israel been accused many times on here of being in cahoots with Hamas - of actually paying Hamas for years? So why not the UN as well? Or directly with Hamas: there were UNRWA employees who took part in the Oct 7th massacres and kidnappings, so presumably some who are in charge of warehouses are also linked to Hamas? (And thence to Israel, if you like.)

Do you have any sensible explanation for why a warehouse had TONNES of food for over a week, yet they weren't distributing it to people they themselves were saying at the same time, were on the brink of starvation?

Because I can only think of one, which is that they couldn't handle the logistics in that situation - but since they say that only they can handle the logistics, that doesn't hold up either.

Egypt could let the aid in across its border but has instead been making money by increasing the fees and bribes that Gazans have to pay. Yet strangely nobody accuses them of starving Gazans. And Hamas didn't even attack them.

Just 30 miles away from the border with Gaza is El Arish, which has a port and an international airport. Everything Gaza needs could pass through El Arish, including people. Yet Egypt keeps the border with Gaza Strip closed. Why does nobody in Ireland ever complain about that?

Ditto with this -and again I am only guessing as I have no idea - but when the strongest and most well equipped army in the middle east is using starvation as a major tool in its genocide, and seems to have no problem attacking their neighbors or those who get in their way - why do you think they could be reluctant to get involved?

Hold on a sec. How should displaced refugees make bread from flour in Gaza? What oven should they use and what fuel for heat?

Those bakeries were running round the clock to provide bread with the flour and fuel provided by UNRWA. Most are not operational anymore thanks to bombs and fuel shortages.

Should we let them eat cake next?

Well that's a bit odd, because why would they steal them then, if they can't do anything with them? Do you really need recipes? I could make bread with not much more than flour and water. And Middle Eastern flatbread is cooked on a hot surface anyway, no need for an oven.

Plus, how do you think people manage in war zones etc when supplies are literally dropped out of helicopters?

Not to mention that in the link below (from a while back) flour supplies are indeed being given out to civilians:

So they were able to cook last year, but now they've forgotten how to??

You must have missed all the recent reports of mass starvation in Gaza?

But you asked about 14000 babies - my post answered that specific question.

Well, as we know, the Israelis don't exaggerate then retract. They just lie until they're caught out lying - 15 medics for example.

And seeing as you state you've not been following this thread, I posted the UN retraction straight away.