Women's prisons and the Gender Recognition Act (2015)

No, you're missing the point. I'm saying I don't mind referring to "trans women" in normal conversation (fuzzy language, not intending to cause offence). But, when it matters that we are talking about biological sex, then I will refer to the sex of the person as male, not as a "transgender female" as you suggest. That's still too confusing and ambiguous. When I said I understand why you might find that offensive, I meant I understand why you don't like a biological male being referred to as male. But, I wasn't saying I agree with it. This policing of language is just designed to put road blocks in the way of clear discussion.

It's sleight of hand, used with the intent to misgender "without wanting to cause offence".

Not at all. There you go inferring intent just from your understanding of the meaning of particular words.

However if the same person is a police officer who is about to carry out a body search on a vulnerable young woman, then it’s inappropriate to continue with the pretence that the police officer is a woman. Accuracy is important in that situation and the only appropriate terms are ones which make it clear that the police officer is biologically male.

You’re demonstrating the necessity for it not to be disregarded that prisoners retain human rights even during incarceration. Your bus example pertains to you personally which nobody has to care less about one way or another, but when the situation involves a violation of a person’s human rights, or civil rights, then it’s an entirely different matter. Take for example in the context of this particular discussion the obligation on prison service providers to comply with legislation in terms of both as an employer, and their obligations towards prisoners in their care. Your example of strip searches and how they’re carried out is a good one, though it’s not a question of women’s rights being violated, it’s a matter of balancing the interests, rights and responsibilities involved.

Two previous cases immediately come to mind which will demonstrate why your whole argument about accuracy and the terms which you consider appropriate aren’t necessarily as important to everyone else as they are to you, and why employers and service providers are obligated to recognise this fact -

https://www.wisbar.org/NewsPublications/InsideTrack/Pages/Article.aspx?Volume=0&Issue=0&ArticleID=29372

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-47334760.amp

More details on that case here, part 33 refers to prisoners in possession of a GRC and outlines the importance of a GRC, because it can mean being treated differently to those prisoners who are not in possession of a GRC:

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2019/367.html

"Denying trans people the right to their own language". Who is doing that? Nobody. You can use any kind of terminology you like and it will be understood. You even used the term TERF and nobody complained, even though that is often used a term of abuse from your side.

What you are doing is trying to deny the other side, the "right to their own language" with your appeal to boards censorship. Have a good afternoon yourself.

Personally I feel no reason to have them in separate prisons, keep the community spaces small enough and it doesn't matter what gender they are. When they get released they will be around the other sex anyway

If you’re determined to ascribe evil intentions to that, I think it says more about you than about the speaker.

Indeed - you might even say "the mask slips". Hopefully @Ezeoul won't find that phrase offensive.

Maybe not.

However I have to disagree with Transwomen being a threat to Women. After two years on E more actually I can easily say I am a lot weaker and so is every other Transwoman on E.

We admire and love all Women well except the TERFS and no sane Transwomen woukd ever hurt another Women..

The best anology to describe this is to think if Superman when he lost his powers because he loved loas.

Thats what being a TransWomen is like. We know we will lose muscle and stemina but it's better to love one self than to hate ones self.

"The fact that some people find the term "trans identified male" offensive"

Is because it is Offensive.

If you can not see that well then you need to

I am a Trans Woman out and Proud. I have known this since I was 4. I have no problem if someone refers to me as a Trans Woman because yes I am transitioning but that other term you use is not nice and is very offensive so please stop using it.

Nobody was putting words in the posters mouth, and it was you who had to put the interpretation in there, not suvgirl, or I, when I made the same point as you do, in response to the poster's declaration -

Your necessary clause is no different than mine - "if a particular person had malign intentions towards a woman":

Being of superior physical strength is not a threat to anyone. Being of a mind to inflict injury upon other people though, is what makes a person a threat to other people.

Theres being a few trans remand prisoners in the Dochas over the years.

To be fair aero, there’s no other inference could be made from the other posters declaration that because of our superior physical strength and so on, we are a danger to women. Those kinds of declarations have never led to a public policy which places impositions on men in the interests of women’s safety; they are used to engender impositions on women instead, in what is claimed are in the interests of their safety.

Apart from sex segregation of sports, prisons and changing rooms of course. Which is really an imposition on both men and women.

There have been calls to impose curfews on men given recent high profile events, such as that of the man who knocked a woman out when she pulled him up on his behaviour, but the proper way to deal with that is to deal with the behaviour of the individual, rather than imposing restrictions on innocent parties due to the behaviour of individuals who happen to share characteristics in common with them:

Serious "calls to impose curfews on men"? I doubt it really, but if so, then I agree with you.

That's a terrible analogy 😁

Apart from sex segregation of sports, prisons and changing rooms of course. Which is really an imposition on both men and women.

Men weren't excluded from sports, prisons and changing rooms though, women were. It was not an imposition on men who enjoyed the opportunities that women were deprived of because of beliefs around men's superiority to women.

Serious "calls to impose curfews on men"? I doubt it really, but if so, then I agree with you.

Those who were calling for curfews on men were serious, their problem was that nobody took them seriously.

Well, I think that is unfortunate then because as I said, I'm happy to refer to trans women as trans women in general, but I can't deny the reality of biology and we have to be able to use biologically accurate terms when discussing those aspects of this issue, where biology matters.