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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    today I read the bond market hates the new beautiful bill they predict in 10 years time the cost of paying back the USA national debt could be 130 per cent of tax revenue it's a double blow to consumers it reduces tax revenue and increases the cost of paying debt as bond market traders increase interest rates . But it reduces tax's on the top 10 per cent of America citizens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,175 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Combining the open manipulation of the stock market, the tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of benefits for the middle and lower classes and the ultimate failure of his plan to solve the Ukraine issue (see below), it is absolutely staggering that despite all of this plain to see for all that this was coming, America still voted for this...

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Donald Trump will delay his threatened 50% tariffs on all European Union imports into the US, after what he described as a “very nice call” with European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen.

    He is, on top of it all, a complete coward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    No sympathy for them at all not even a little bit and certainly not staggering knowing Americans. They knew what he was and what he was capable of and still decided he was the better option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    People close to Trump must be making billions shorting and longing the markets. You'd almost admire the grift if it doesn't so obvious.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,146 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Not a man that does subtlety well I'd imagine.

    His narcicism probably makes him happy that everyone can see him doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    The open manipulation is incredible. Makes Gordan Gekko look like an honest broker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Oh no so Trump folded again once he realised he has no cards, who would have imagined?

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    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,102 ✭✭✭Field east


    if even half of what Trumps statement is true then VZ should be somewhat happy with it. Why?

    • he is now including Putin and Zalenski for starting the war . Up till now it was Biden only
    • He has suddenly stated that Putin wants Sean to take control of the whole of Ukr- at least by proxy. Up till now it was a case of of - in a vague way - that Putin wanted to add 4 Ukr oblasts to his dominion.
    • He has suddenly come to the conclusion that Putin has radically changed in his behaviour especially in relation to this SMO
    • He is becoming consistent about highlighting all the UNNECESSARY killing

    It will be of interest to see if the above ‘turn of events’ will change his actions / lack of re eg arms/intellegance supply to Ukr

    It was disappointing to see him , yet again, continuing to put pressure on VZ and saying that ‘he is a very difficult person ‘ to deal . Ja—s, the man’s country is being invaded and he is trying to protect it from being taken over. Has he forgotten that the man refused to be flown out by an American helicopter and wanted to stay with his people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,054 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    And this is why you don't capitulate to someone who announces "recommendations" on social media of economic policies which could hugely affect global trade, or go begging and pleading to them not to damage your economy and kowtowing to the majority of their demands.

    And funnily enough, the more Trump announces these things to look like a tough dealmaker who will throw the might of the USA's economy at his "opponents", the weaker he makes himself look because he'll inevitably start rowing back.

    It's like we've all said; the tariff war affects every countries trade just with the USA, but the USA are affected by tariffs from every country.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Also - Trump WILL change his mind again so anyone making plans or decisions based on his latest bout of verbal diarrhea would be a very silly person.

    Smile and Nod , say "Sure Donald , we'll get right on it" and just wait for him to flip flop a few more times before eventually rolling over and giving in as he has done EVERY other time.

    Apologies for quoting myself here, but following Trumps expected bottling on his latest tariff threats, I just felt that some people ( or indeed members of the Rana genus) might benefit from an old fashioned "We told you so" reminder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,175 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Salazar of Portugal had dementia in his last years so his officials would just feed him fake documents. This doesn't sound a million miles away from that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    so donnie caved in…who would have thought…?

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,432 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    They had fake newspapers made up for him as well didn't they?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They've been doing that for Trump for years.

    There was an intern on his staff whose only job was to find positive news stories about him, print them out and give them to him so he could read them and feel awesome…

    Beyond pathetic and insecure..

    But something something "Alpha Male"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    Trump sounds like a complete idiot when he speaks about most subjects, but I think his lack of anything resembling a reasoned or informed thought is probably most obvious when he babbles on about Ukraine. He sounds like a naive incompetent pawn in that post, totally divorced from the reality of what has been happening since the start of the war. So does he think that Putin has only started targeting civilians recently? What an absolute embarrassment to his country.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's mostly driven by his complete disinterest in knowing about anything other than himself.

    He has trained himself ( and I use that term very loosely) to basically filter out anything other than stuff that makes him the hero.

    As soon as he twigs that a subject isn't about him, his brain tunes out.

    So when he's asked about anything that he doesn't know or understand (aka Everything) he babbles incoherently for a while until he can "weave" his way back to his safe space - Which is talking about how utterly awesome he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Trump's Art of the Deal has always been one of the big bluster. When someone sued him, he would countersue on frivolous grounds for 10 times as much and his opponents often settled. With North Korea, he threatened obliteration. He threatened 125% tariffs on China knowing that it would be economic suicide for both the US and China but hoped that China would settle for higher tariffs than were in place previously. Similarly with the 50% tariffs on the EU. Nixon wanted Vietnam to think he was a madman who was about to use nuclear bombs. The EU, Canada, Mexico, India, UK etc. need to stand up to Trump's bully boy tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,098 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I see the GOP has got soundbites out about how some of its Senators will vote against the big beautiful bill and block its passage through the senate, kind'a like its Congress members would block its passage there. I expect it to just sail by without a problem, with the necessary harrumphing from the cast in time for Trump to tell the US it's even more beautiful despite the lefties trying to block him from helping the US to a greater future.

    It's useless talking about him and his approach to Ukraine, he and his memory are increasingly out of step with the facts and everyone else. What surprises me is that he hasn't taken active steps to give an order to the Pentagon that Ukraine is to get no more weapons, ammunition or intelligence on what Putin & Co are up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭swampgas


    A while back I posted that I thought Trump's suspected financial dependence on Putin was going to drive him to support Russia over Ukraine, and that definitely seemed to be borne out early in his presidency.

    Since then, however, Trump has grifted his way to significant chunks of cash, and has cemented his grasp on the US legal system.

    I speculate that it's now possible that Trump feels far less beholden to Putin than he did a year ago, and so might be more relaxed about screwing Putin over, especially if he sees Putin looking weak. Trump's flip-flopping on Ukraine suggests he's a long way from abandoning Putin completely, but it does suggest he's not as scared of him as he used to be.

    It's weird to think that Trump's massively corrupt accumulation of wealth recently could potentially be a good thing for Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Ursula Von der Leyen gave Trump nothing. She obviously threathened to match Trumps tariffs on June 1st if he didn't pull back. And he climbed down. What a surprise.

    Meanwhile the Wall Street slot machine is open to abuse again. All those lovely fluctuations.

    Although Wall Street wasn't spooked to the same extent this time. They are seeing the pattern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,038 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    It helps that Russia has embarrassed itself on the world stage. I doubt many people are worried about Russian armour piling through the Fulda Gap any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,747 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    He's coming to a fork in the road though I reckon. I don't think Trump will be happy to pour vast American resources over the rest of his presidency into just keeping things ticking over for Ukraine. So I'd say he'll either ramp up the pressure on Putin via sanctions or some other means to force him into meaningful negotiations or withdraw from the situation entirely which of course would be a disaster for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    There's no "vast resources" being poured into Ukraine by the US. No new US military/economic/humanitarian aid under Trump (and there never will be, in my opinion).

    In a way, while large, the US expenditure on Ukraine was never "vast" in context of a country that is seemingly so rich the public there barely seem to blink at insane burning of money on utterly stupid stuff like invading Iraq (approx 5 Ukraines, back of the envelope) their inefficient health care system, or giving bumper tax cuts to people who don't really need another $1m added on their bank balance every time a Republican is POTUS.

    I don't believe he'll be ramping up pressure on Putin no matter what Russia do, but hopefully Putin does annoy him enough by not giving him his big war-ending public moment that normalisation of US relations with Russia gets halted, and the US continues to be willing to sell weapons to Europe/Ukraine for the war.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Trump has an incentive to turn the screws on Russian oil

    US oil producers are squealing in pain

    Taking some of the Russian oil off the markets would help em

    They just need to figure out how to bribe him via crypto



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,356 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Invading Iraq was more like 5 times total Ukraine spend every single year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Lol, if you have those figures for Iraq to hand fair enough.

    I just went off possibly faulty memory that it was about $ 1 trillion (for war and occupation) while their aid to Ukraine so far is approx. $170bn (more certain of that figure as its been in the news more recently). Should really google it and get my ducks in a row before I comment.

    edit: wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,758 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And Trump surrendered to the Taliban. Missed the part where he asked for them to pay anything back.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,175 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I had a look at it looks like estimates vary on the cost of the Iraq war but Brown University's conservative estimate is $1.1 Trillion.

    How much money has the United States provided Ukraine?

    The U.S. Congress has voted through five bills that have provided Ukraine with aid since the war began, doing so most recently in April 2024. The total budget authority under these bills—the “headline” figure often cited by news media—is $175 billion.

    https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-us-aid-going-ukraine

    Looks like you're right. Again, quick google so I may have some stuff wrong but the overall point holds easily.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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