Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

A Russian degenerate bragging to his online followers that there's Ukrainian child girls just waiting to be collected by any Russian man that wants any. This is in the Russian occupied parts of Ukraine. He says the parents need food and money. So he took the girl off their hands.

In the comments people understand now why American paedophiles now want to travel to Russia in the present time.

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@RoyalCelt

In my head I can't see Russia even contemplating end the war until another 3 summers of attacks have been completed. Will that be enough to conquer the rest of Donetsk region? Possibly but that depends on support.

Even asking the question of whether Russia could conquer the rest of the Donetsk region in three Summers of offensives shows what a failure the Russian war effort has been. They had been looking to conquer the whole of Ukraine in a few weeks when they first attacked in 2022. By anyone's reckoning that has to be a serious revision of objectives in the face of unexpectedly tough resistance. And this is with dwindling American support, which was supposed to be the death knell for Ukraine.

At this point, the reason for Russia continuing to push in Ukraine has nothing much to do with the potential rewards of that reduced victory and more to do with internal Russian politics. Like Netanyahu in Israel, it's a key pillar propping up his position to be a wartime president where meaningful change cannot occur until the conflict has been brought to an end. If it cannot end in victory for Russia, then it cannot end for Putin.

I have heard republicans are wargaming Krasnov being impeached. The midterms might change things considerably.

As the invasion began, the original conversation was 'how long can Ukraine hold out?'. We weren't talking about which bit of Ukraine Russia might be able to take and hold. We were talking about how long it would be until Russian forces could reach Kyiv, lay siege and wrest the entire country under its control.

With respect to the original war objectives, which seem now to be almost forgotten, who's coming out the better? Which side would have more readily taken the 2025 situation if they'd had a crystal ball? Ukraine, who still have a country (albeit partially occupied), or Russia, who remain bogged down in the east?

The objective of Russia in 2022 was to take the entirety of Ukraine. This was clear from the three-pronged attack they launched in February of that year and the beeline they made toward Kyiv.

The main reason Russia now concentrate on the Donbas is because this the region their forces are closest to, making it a logistical no-brainer. I'm sure they would like to try for Odessa and other cities, but they lack the capacity to get their ground forces near them.

In light of this, Russia now pretends that the Donbas was always the objective, but this is really just a face-saving measure.

If they wanted an agreement, Kyiv wasn't prepared to give one, and any invading country could say that their actions were really about forcing concessions if the invaded country instantly agrees to their demands. This didn't happen in the case of Ukraine - Russia were beaten back from Hostomel airport, which they were trying to capture as a forward operating base to fly heavy armour into, and they were stopped in the south at Mykolaiv before they could get near Odessa.

Not every part of a country needs to be taken for a successful invasion. The key things are to take the administrative centres, knock out the leadership and with it the opposition's ability to coordinate and defend against you, which were all objectives at which the Russians failed and which led them to their revising of war aims.

Ahh I see we are back to the whole Russia attacking Kyiv was just a feint again

Do you guys ever change the script?

Are you saying that Pushilin and Pasechnik never asked Russia to intervene.? Problem is, you really haven't much of a clue about those areas, you can repeat all this "Michael Clarke" nonsense and try look like you know everything and everyone else is wrong,but when you start this Russian stooge talk, you just come across as uneducated about the subject.

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1 hour in a F16, FLY LOW, straight to Moscow, loaded with every thing you've got,

The Minsk agreements were where the compromises were to be honoured.

Those in the eastern regions that are now under Russian control definitely don't hold that last view.

Why doesn't Ukraine blow up the 50,000 troops gathering on border waiting to attack