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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭grass10


    Your figures are getting more bizarre all the time how could an animal lose an extra 15 kg by not having water for 1 hour I've sold animals at 4 different marts at different times and some marts I've only lost 10 kg from fresh I've many times only lost 15 kg on 700 kg steers you sold a suckler bred o+ heifer last week for 4.15 kg based on losing 20 kg from home she would have made more literary in any mart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,357 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's not the water he loses its the water he gains. If he has access to water after unloading he will drink 15 litres over an hour in a pen

    It Just show hiw little lads understand of the what effects weight loss. There is three factors urine, dung and the final one is loss through breathing and perspiration which if you ever climbed upon a cattle truck of finished cattle half way through a journey it would frighten you

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭KAMG


    I am not going to argue with you.

    At the end of the day, this thread is all about letting others know what the current prices being paid by the factories are.

    All I can share with others is my own farm details.

    I bought a weighting scales last year with the help of a TAMS grant.

    I am just looking over last years cattle kill-out details on my spreadsheet. (Busy day in the office. Ha.Ha)

    Taking the AAX cattle only, the kill-outs ranged from 49 - 53% of farm weight. Now, let me explain. When I say farm weight, it is the live - weight, after the cattle are held in a holding pen, without feed or water for maybe an hour or an hour an a half. This is to allow for a bit of loss of weight, comparable to going to a mart.

    So, that is where I am getting my figure of 52% on the bullock in Nenagh yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭KAMG


    Just flicked into the catalogue in Ballinasloe mart on MartBids. They are still going through the heifers. Sort by breed, gives me 3 lots of AAX bullocks booked in for today. (It wouldn't be a place to go to buy AAX bullocks).

    1 of the lots is 3 14 month olds. So ignore that.

    The other 2 are lot 3H, 2 bullocks at 26 months and 8A, 2 bullocks at 27 months.

    It will be interesting to see what they sell for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Farmer Dan


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    3H & 8A



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Yous put a lot of faith in scales.

    No reason your own scales and mart scales can't be off a handful of kgs, even a wrong scale can adjust more as the heavier weight goes on to it.

    All your figures can be distorted before any stomach contents are brought into focus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,357 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    This goes back to that the greencert should have a module on calculations. If your scales is out its immaterial. You are using it as a reference point. However I have checked mine using a 500kg bag of fertilizer earlier in the year and it's spot on. It showed at 501kgs I think which is the fertlizer and bag weight. Since then we work off our own weight to check.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Reference point is distorted, if scale weights are different between farm and mart, calculation of stomach contents can be skewed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,357 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's Immaterial you do you killout calculations from the factory on the weights from your scales. You then do the difference between mart and your scale weight and calculate the killout you would expect off that.

    The only time it really varies in me a bit is iff killing offwet grass in the autumn. Other than that it's a fairly accurate calculation when you allow for weight abd fat cover.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭KAMG


    I checked scales at first weighting this year using my body weight and dads. And then both combined. Bang on with all 3 weights.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 oakwork


    I notice in mart scales it varies depending on where an animal positions itself on the scale and I assume at what point the operator locks the weight in. Would the scales in a mart ever be a cause for concern, are they regularly calibrated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,357 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That is actually a good way to check a farm scales. Go to each of the four corners and check the weight. It will tell you straight away if there is an issue with a single cell. Marts scales vary for a load of different reasons some are just out of calibration. If there is a lot of dung under the corners ( something to watch on your own scales as well it will distort the weights

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭older by the day


    As said above further, I have seen heifers that could not feed a cat, become a fine milky cow.

    A small pick of nuts will do from now on, just to coax them in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    That is a great way of checking weighing scales ,but I would say your scales might be out a few kg as your 500kg bag includes tare which includes the pallet and bag ,it states on label 500kg including tare!!

    So your pallet weight divided by 4 should also be deducted from the 500kg ,would a pallet be 8kg so your bag of 500kg fert should only weigh 498 kg including plastic/

    Might your scales be out 3kg???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,357 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I very much doubt if the pallet enters the calculation even the plastic around it either. Most fertlizer providers are NSAI abd ISO compliant who are quite fussy over things like that. While the bulk bag may be Inc the pallet or wrapping could not be Inc.

    Even if the scales is incorrect you are using it to take a reference weight and to calculate off that. You get your killout percentage or your difference to mart weight

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Here's a few fr bullock's that have been getting meal for since early April , been on 5kg for the last 3

    weeks, would another fortnight have them ready for the factory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭kk.man


    There not there yet but getting there. It's difficult to tell from photos. Imo you are a bit more than a fortnight away but it's hard to tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭nearlybreak




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Similar to KK man Last fella maybe, the others are a good month away at least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Factory fit cattle 40 to 50c better than quotes judging by today's yard in Kilkenny.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Cavanjack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Aly Daly


    If they were mine I would reduce there meal to 3kg,graze them on good quality grass & factory August/September,friesans not near fit until min 32/33mth,you get fellas talking about going to the factory with a 22mth old they are selling calves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    That won't work here, grass is scarce as all my ground is on a slope and very dry and rain is needed badly, there's also other cattle the same age as these lads and sheep here also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭QA1


    there in great nick see the oil coming through there coats well fit to kill when ever grass is scare or money is needed there 2 plus or 3 minus today there is loads being hung not near as good as them base 7:60 blks from 2 factories in the south



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Aly Daly


    Everyone's situation is different I am on very dry ground here with alot of mouths to feed & I was concerned about growth but with a small drop of rain it has brought things on well,a factory feedlot would be very keen on your cattle through the mart or if they are tight for beef direct processing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,357 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would have no issue hanging them as is if need be. If price was dropping like a normal year I be doing it. However this year is different I would continue to feed away at 5kgs. They are costing less than 2.5/day to feed and probably putting on 7-10 euros of flesh a day aa well as climbing through a point or two on the grid. If the price was rising still in three weeks time, I woukd house and feed silage and 5kgs.

    IIt's going to really pay to maximise cattle value for the next couple of months..

    Feedlots usually want a significant discount to factory value to buy cattle like that. Often they will just slaughter them straight away and take the discount as a margin

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Aly Daly


    At this time of year if cattle had plenty of grass ahead of them which I know is not the man's position would 3kg not be enough or that's always been the line of advice for cattle on grass in any case,I hope your calculations are correct on the increase in value per day,great stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,357 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The change in price of beef and tge outlookfor the next couple of months has changed thr economics of feeding. Last year in May price was dropping to below 5/kg base, this year it's heading for 8/ kg. Ration are as cheap as last year and tgatbis about the cheapest in the last ten years

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Aly Daly


    I made a decision to start feeding my store to finish friesan bullocks bought early April at around 500kg,they are being fed 3kg for the last 3 weeks.

    May,June,July,August 3kg

    September 5kg

    Sell early October

    So roughly 150 day finish when normally it's 120.In your opinion does this make economic sense,thanks in advance highly informative.



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