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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭White Clover


    We have the two extremes now. Bass assumes everyone has limestone land like he has and everyone should be running the same system as he is and WoozieWu is gone all hate on finishers. As like most other things in life, it is not as black and white as the two lads make it out to be.

    My own system is smack bang in the middle where the 2 lads are. Finishing heifers on heavy land. Heifers only as bullocks would destroy the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,359 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Production should not be directly supported. I have for instance supported convergence which supports those on poorer type land. I consider schemes like REPS/ACRES etc are designed towards supporting them as well. However I think direct support which encourages production is harmful to farmers and supports processors as well. I even think supports should be targets to help traditional breeds.

    At present and for the last couple of years the penalizing of Continental type cattle for weigh has stopped. If many more are bred these problems may arise again

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭WoozieWu


    that comment was tongue in cheek

    i finish my stock and my father used to buy weanlings to finish them in addition to the sucklers

    i understand there are economies of scale available to large finishing units that make their costs of production lower and finishers have their place

    i have current knowledge of both sides of the coin i certainly dont hate finishers but they have a vested interest in controlling the price they pay for stock in the same way a processor would

    tanglers dealers and finishers are the boys chopping up lots by the ringside

    online bidding has been a godsend for the humble suckler man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I thank god for the hard working suckler man busting his hole to produce the quality weanling that I can bring to a finish...

    Long may they continue... I wouldnt begrudge them any support whatsoever...

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭HHH


    Any live quotes available for this week?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I was onto Larrys Men this morning...looking to move a couple of loads of heavy cows....6.80 for O grade...7 maybe 7.10 for good Rs...

    I said i will hold off for a few more weeks...he said bullocks are 7.50...heifers 7.60...they are only killing 4 days a week now....

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭148multi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭degetme


    Killed cow's last week. 6.90 for ps and Os. Dawn were 6.60 and 6.70. Abp were booked a week ahead was told



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Hex heifers, €8 flat,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Isn't the base €7.60 you're not gaining much after the QA and breed bonus is added.

    Unless they're all O's



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,359 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's an average base of 7.67 if the graded O+. Which is about where HE average if a fairly decent ani animal

    Processors holding tight from what I hear at present. This week will see the last of the shed cattle only dribs and drabs after this, last of the U 16 month friesian bulls as well.

    Hearing contracted and tied feedlots not exactly ecstatic with procurement agents as they are killing last of there cattle. They have not been enamoured with them all.year with a refusal to often deal flat with them. Having said that talking to a large finisher who buys straights and he is buying rolled barley by the lorry load at substantially less than 250/ ton.

    From now on they will need grass cattle. Cull cows from the parlour getting very scarce. This has a bit to go yet

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭morphy87




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Were they straight from the parlour?

    I've a few who aren't doing the business here and I'm trying to decide whether mart or factory would be best.

    I was going to offload them last month but couldn't find replacements within my budget at the various dairy sales. The plan now is to cull them anyway and buy more dairy-beef calves instead.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    Milk once per day and they will flesh up ,whats the point letting someone else have profit in them if they are not fit for slaughter. Straight from parlour is a fools game unless it is a cow that had no calf with 10-12 months.

    They warm up quick especially getting a dust of ration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    If you've size and weight, it's a no-brainer, even if fat score isn't hectic...

    Sent these 5 on Friday straight from parlour and they came into a nice few euro, with the tb roulette countrywide it's nice knowing your cows are clear when factoried then going down a few months down the line if sold in mart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,359 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    And young light heifers seldom make there value. Saw one yesterday 370 kgs only making 750, in the same mart a SIX heifer 420 no calf only made 1220 The trick in any game is maximise the value.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Have heard uncles say before when they where milking that poor milking heifers on year 1 often turn it to great milking cows in year 2 not sure if this is bs or an old farmers myth or if its true.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I know what you mean. But I'm milking them all OAD and I'm guessing that's part of the reason these particular 2 never got going. They're both a mix of British Friesian and Holstein and both are putting the meal onto their hind quarters rather than into the tank - they've a good flesh cover already.

    I think I'll do what @jaymla627 did with his and send straight to the factory.

    I don't think these two will ever turn into good cows, especially when OAD would be my only option for next year too. I'm between a rock and a hard place: I haven't enough cows to give up the off-farm job and I haven't enough time to milk TAD because of the off-farm job.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,452 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Can you reduce hours off farm? 75 cows here on twice a day and down to 20 hrs a week off farm. Busy but manageable with use of contractors and a little relief milking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    I would still let them be for another while ,you could never have them too fat for the factory,there paying for themselves every day in the tank and beef prices look stable for the foreseeable ,Why would go off and pay mad money for calves instead that wont come into money for a very long time,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭White Clover




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    No, I can't reduce below the 20 hours/week I'm doing. It's a fight not to have the hours increased most of the time.

    That was my plan - to milk them away for now but then I got the calculator out! These 2 first-calvers are leaving me a profit after costs of €1.50/day combined. I'm fed up of looking at them getting fat! My plan was to buy 6-7 runners/weanlings in the autumn to join the 15 calves I have and then out-winter all of them. If I swap these 2 now for 6-7 calves, I should save a few quid by not paying bigger money for runners/weanlings in a few months' time. The few extra calves won't cost much in milk powder or meal between now and then.

    No, both are 2 since Feb.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,359 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If you are going to kill them feed away. Be in no rush. I even go so far as to say with the dairy nut feed a couple kgs of maize.

    Feeding 4kgs to finishing cattle on grass and beginning to wonder if its enough for friesians.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭degetme


    No. Dried off last December. Silage for winter and grass with 5 weeks



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    There looked to be a good bundle of heavy continental beef cattle advertised for I think Enniscorthy mart today, anyone see how it faired out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭KAMG


    Don't know anything about Enniscorthy, but I see on Mart bids, in Nenagh, an AAX bullock, weighting 605 KG, sold for 2,750e. I make that a price of 8.74e needed in the Factory to match! And thats at a killout of 52%?

    And yet again this week, 8e flat is the best I hear for AAX bullocks in the factories.

    I was always a Factory person, as it suits me much better with my full time office job. But, if this is the situation in a month's time, when my fully grass finished cattle start to come fit, I'll have to seriously consider chancing one of the local marts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭kk.man


    They just won't or don't want to pay Joe Farmer but will pay sourced cattle from feedlots, big loads and marts. I heard same feedlots not factory controlled are fighting like mad with procurement managers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,359 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A few questions is there water available to finishing cattle in the pens in Nenagh. How far did the bullock travel. Was there other AA bullocks/heifers and how did they do. was he an O or R grade. what way dose the scales weigh in Nenagh.

    I am calculating that he made from 8.4 to 8.6/kg depending whether he was an O or R grade, no water in the finishing pens could drop him another 10-15c/kg

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭KAMG


    I can't answer any of those questions. I'm only going by what I seen on a quick glance on Mart Bids.

    But frankly, i dont see the relevance. I used a ko of 52%. Which in my opinion and experience, is the max for an AAX bullock, of that sort of live weight.

    Even on your calculations, you have a minimum difference of Mart to Factory of 40 cent. That's a lot over a load of cattle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,359 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The least that bullock will lose between farm and mart is 20 kgs and that is if he is loaded within an hour of leaving the field or straight out of a shed he was finishing in and goes up to the ring within an hour to an hour and a half.

    If there is no water in the pen when he goes in its another 15 kgs lighter. An O+ AA bullock will killout 51% or a tad better if FS3+ or better an R grade will kill 52% ish both off farmyard weight.

    If you send cattle to the mart weight them before they leave the farm and compare returns to factory returns. There can be a significant difference between farmyard and mart weight. And there is several factors at play. He made 4.5/ kg off Mart weight, aa I posted a bit back you need 4.3/ 4.4 for it to pay you to go to the mart at a factory flat price of 8/kg when you factor everything into account.

    Yes he made more however I would have liked to see a video of him which is not available on Martsbids.

    Slava Ukrainii



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