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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,491 ✭✭✭circadian


    I'm mixed race and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that statement considering it's about his character and behaviour rather than anything racially.

    Try harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's because you're not looking to score some cheap points on the internet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Liberal elite has to be the oxymoron phrase that I have ever heard. If anyone is a member of the "elite", they certainly would not subscribe to anything that was "liberal".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Just to be absolutely clear, I have no idea. Given the source, I'm do not believe that it's true at all. There's a guy called Ben who works for Gript. That's about all I know about either him or them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    "Liberal Communists" is my favourite. Take two terms which are diametric opposites and just glue them together because somehow it will make sense. Honourable mention for "woke" because nobody who screeches about it seems able to define it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The most prominent far left people in this country subscribe to a socialist ideology (which we're oft reminded is the pursuit of communism) whilst also being staunch advocates for pretty much every socially liberal cause under the sun.

    In such an environment is it any wonder people conflate communism with liberalism?

    Two things that shouldn't be seen together by definition but in practice are hand in glove in Irish society.

    The stench of intellectual elitism from so many posts on this topic in this thread and at least one other is overwhelming, as is the refusal to accept observable facts relating to this issue.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,491 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The issue is stating that there is no relationship between communism and liberalism in Ireland when there demonstrably is.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,986 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The irish electorate have consistently for the past 2-3 decades passed rather socially liberal referenda, prime examples are obviously divorce, same sex marriage, repealing the 8th etc, which were proposed by parties that while nationally are viewed as centre-right in a global view would be much closer to centre left.

    We are absolutely a socially liberal society despite our rather conservative history and attempts like yours to lazily conflate irish popular liberalism with communism is simply a whinging cop out attempt to try paint everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of manical villain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Irish socialists/communists are liberal.

    This is true in other western countries as well, you'll see American communists being socially liberal, same in the UK.

    I'm not painting anyone as a villain, this isn't my opinion, it's observable fact.

    The idea that communism and liberalism are incompatible within democratic societies in western countries is a ridiculous position.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,986 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed they are, but Irish liberals are not always socialists and communists which is the conflation I am disagreeing with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I never said always liberals are always communists, but communists in Ireland are invariably liberal.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,986 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    You are absolutely are trying to paint that picture i wont continue discussing this with someone who refuses to acknowledge their veil of vague accusations has been pierced.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There were strong anti-colonial and anti-imperial components to Communism in the Soviet Union. They supported the right to self-determination of several oppressed polities. Doesn't mean that Iosef Stalin was a liberal.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    Binned my TV licence fee last year and am a bronze subscriber to Gript. Don't agree with a lot of the stuff they do but find it a refreshing insight into the world we live in and the various viewpoints are welcome for me anyway. Hope they keep providing good content going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Veil of vague accusations?

    I'm just sharing observations of fact. Don't worry, I won't be responding further to you.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Not too get dragged unduly into this, but you did state in an earlier post:

    "The most prominent far left people in this country subscribe to a socialist ideology (which we're oft reminded is the pursuit of communism)"

    I find it hard to interpret exactly what you mean by this statement.

    Are you saying that people with a socialist point of view ultimately view communism as the ultimate end goal? Or that to be "socialist" is to actually be a communist? Or that socialism and communism are interchangable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,414 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What's liberal about outlawing private property?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,634 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Also, just to counter any suggestion the Clonskeagh mosque story wasn't covered by mainstream media - it was in fact covered extensively by many media outlets in this country.

    I would say Conor Gallagher's report for the Irish Times, for example, contains a lot of detailed reported information about the incident that was not public information prior to its publication: https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2025/04/26/concerns-raised-over-alleged-financial-irregularities-and-links-with-extremist-ideology-at-dublin-mosque/

    A quick look at the Gript reports from the same period, in contrast, shows a lot of vague details and reliance on extensively quoted statements - not much in the way of original reporting compared to the IT. The IT's reporting contains substantially more information about what actually occurred.

    Even a cursory glance at Google shows the incident was widely reported by RTE, the Irish Independent etc… even if the reporting wasn't as detailed as the IT's work.

    And even with that, it is no surprise that reporting on an internal row in a minority religious community wasn't as comprehensive, detailed or minute-by-minute as a high profile disappearance and murder investigation.

    If people want to read Gript for their reporting, go right ahead - nobody here is stopping you! But even the most basic search will show this story was covered widely by the Irish media.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,824 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Every time someone comes out with the line "wasn't covered by mainstream media", you can safely chalk it up as bollocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Socialism is the pursuit of communism, at least that's what I have been told be fervent lefties on boards.

    Communism has never failed because it's never been tried properly they say.

    People in this country who identify as socialist tend to be socially liberal, which isn't a bad thing, I'm a socially liberal too, I just don't then believe that socialism is a solution to the inequality of society, I can say this because of the huge swell of evidence in the history of the last century.

    I think these people are well intentioned but it's hard to defend socialism with a straight face.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I wouldn't share the view that socialism is the pursuit of communism and I don't think many out there currently in Ireland would share that view either. Maybe a few people have posted it here on boards, but I don't think that's a representative opinion.

    I think you are using pretty broad definitions of socialism, communism and liberalism, so broad that the definitions are almost meaningless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,746 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Others are setting the definitions so narrow that a socialist cannot even have liberal opinions.

    I'm just pointing out that you're going to go a long way to find a communist/socialist ins Ireland who doesn't have socially liberal beliefs.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's outright lies. Most of the stories Gript get or follow up on come from the mainstream media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Also, I find it absolutely hilarious that Gript are going after Gardai in the Michael Gaine case, considering the main suspect is a white English-speaking immigrant.

    You can be sure as anything that if they were brown, they'd have a completely different approach.

    Or maybe they're afraid to talk about suspects since they made a complete arse out of themselves when they were trying to expose one before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Why? The guards are supposed to have searched the septic tank early on in the investigation and if they missed something then that is a big mistake and haven't heard anything about suspects or the color of their skin.

    They discuss parts of the case on this week's excellent podcast amongst other news worthy items in this week's news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,074 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Leaving aside for a moment whether one supports their editorial line I think €10 per month is quite poor value.

    My Irish Times subscription costs €14 per month and gives me a much wider ranging news coverage.

    In addition I get detailed sports news, entertainment and culture items and various opinion pieces plus lots more.

    But at the end of the day it's your money, your choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭EmergencyExit




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,486 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Another odd quirk I've noticed with Gript readers is they love to tell people they pay for it.

    Good for you I suppose?



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