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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Twist what you said? Please point out where I did that.

    You recently asked for evidence on the 'trope' of the major media outlets not reporting on important stories related to immigration. I posted an example and another even better example was posted by someone else and you replied to neither.

    At least you replied to that post but I didn't link dump so why not actually address what I posted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭BandyMandy


    The government trips over itself to look after strangers, giving them better treatment than the natives.... Meanwhile, the rest of us are left picking up the pieces as they make a complete balls of everything else. They couldn’t organise a piss-up in a brewery—unless it’s for someone who just arrived into the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    It saves putting 3,000 years ago, 2,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago…. on the axis. You just put 3,2,1… on the axis and something like "/ 1000 yrs ago" in the axis label. It is a fairly standard way of reducing clutter in charts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    😂😂 Not in any standard charts e ... only something imagined up .

    But good try !

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/05/21/irelands-population-outperforms-increasingly-ageing-eu/

    Our population is growing at x4 the EU average, which should be concerning given the housing crisis and the current level of strain on our health service.

    But as this is the Irish Times news section, nothing in relation to that is mentioned, oh no, it’s great - we are “outperforming” everyone else!
    More people doesn’t mean more houses needed, don’t you know that? Demand is a myth

    Saddest of all, the article actually notes that in addition to high degrees of migration we actually do still retain a positive natural birth rate. This is declining however - perhaps if young Irish people were actually able to move out of their parents houses and get homes of their own we’d be seeing more natural growth of our population.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Ah here, the majority do not feel RTE do a good job of anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Tbh that’s a level of bias from the Irish Times that’s comparable to Gript. ‘Outperforming’ in the midst of a housing crisis! Extending their logic if population growth was four times what it is now it’d be an even better ‘performance’. Really bad journalism.

    The findings should be the basis for a series of articles about how population growth is impacting on services and housing and what policies on immigration are required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Any cafe owners out there stressing about struggling to keep the lights on? Give these guys a call, maybe they will share the secret of their success with ya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭tom23


    Depressing. How can so few people profit at this? Does even the folks that support not raise an eyebrow at this and go hold on a minute this is obscene money to be making of this…



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,909 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    I'd wonder what political connections they have close ties to, to win that contract



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14737507/Angela-Rayner-calls-migrant-benefits-slashed-Rachel-Reeves.html

    Bold proposals, outlined in a leaked memo revealed by The Telegraph, also suggested making it harder for immigrants to receive Universal credit.

    Ms Rayner even said Labour should raise the fee migrants pay to use the NHS, in policies she and her team claimed were 'contentious' but still 'worthy of consideration'.

    Under current policies, introduced under the Tories in 2015, foreigners on work visas pay to access healthcare - a fee currently set at £1,035.

    The 'radical' policies further included limiting access to the state pension.

    America's descent towards authoritarianism and the far-right continues…

    Oh wait, this is Keir Starmer's Britain 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    While its great the numbers are reducing, given the influx of boats being intercepted coming across the English Channel in recent weeks, it would be foolish to think the problem is going away. We still need new rules and to be firmer with current ones. Timely deportation of failed applications is a must.

    Post edited by prunudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    What difference is that supposed to make really.

    The numbers were unsustainable, the numbers on your chart are unsustainable.

    We need numbers like Denmark to try get on top of the mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Waiting for the we all partied line when it does turn to s**t eventually as well and money drys up. The only ones partying were the goons making lots of money from this racket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    Payments to the directors of Igo Café Ltd have gone from 133,015 in 2022 to 1,304,794 in 2023 and 4,689,929 in 2024. Regardless whether anyone agrees with the amounts being paid for asylum seekers it's obvious that substantial amounts of money are simply being fed through companies to directors pockets and not being used for asylum seekers. It's such a waste of taxpayers money when so many public services are underfunded and cutbacks are everywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I can think of 725 million reasons why Irish people are probably not happy with RTE.

    Yet more signs we'll be getting a big increase in migrants from the UK. Especially those on social welfare. We need to introduce measures stricter then the UK first as a prevention measure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭Marcos


    OK I'm not back seat modding here, but I think would be helpful if what constitutes a link dump is outlined in order to stop such confusion arising in future.

    I did a quick search and found a poster requesting help on exactly what a link dump is. The thread is here. As you can see one mod is of the view that just pasting a link is a link dump. While the last word on it is

    If you wish to post a link set out what it is about and your own views on it.

    So if you post a link say what it is and put your own view on it.

    There has to be a mechanism in order to allow posters to post links without being accused of link dumping in my view, otherwise this and other threads will circle the drain.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Ken o Flynn newly elected TD has been very vocal and critical about the governments handling of asylum seekers.

    Mr o Flynn requested a lazy boy chair for his office fit out.

    Well holy God, Rte, the Indo, examiner n the journal all ran with this story yesterday- over a e1000 chair. Amazing how so many different journalists all picked up on this on the same day.

    I wonder how many of these journalists will be investigating alleged fundamentalism in clonshaugh mosque?! Multi million ipas contracts to new Spanish companies with e300 in the bank?

    Ok skorts is done lads, lazy boy chair this week, next week?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭sekiro


    This seems like an area where any decent journalist would be able to dig in and figure out what is going on. Then actually inform the public.

    Where do the immigrants themselves fit into this equation for Ireland? Are they simply being used as a mechanism for wealth transfer?

    It feels at times like people are being brought here simply to be exploited. Nobody can effectively criticize it because being "against immigration" puts you in alignment with some more unsavory figures so the exploitation continues.

    Doesn't it seem like the real, maybe only, winners here are the businesses making all this money?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Can this be bookmarked for the next person who asks for proof of biased reporting from the MSM?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It is stripping poorer countries of their resources to the betterment of richer countries.

    We take all their healthcare staff because we need them and who cares about what their developing countries need.

    We take people in to work in low paying jobs that the Irish are too good for.

    I remember when the left was about the working person, now it is about exploiting the poor and allowing the rich get richer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If people can't see the MSM for what it is at this point they never will. It was like Trump talking to the south African president about the white farmer genocide and an NBC journalists tries changing the subject to the Qatar plane.

    Immigration is one aspect of Irish journalism where they severely lack balance and honest reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,456 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Bacik was getting very worked up about the plane full of criminals that the yanks were deporting stopping in Shannon to re fuel.

    She was worried about their human rights!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,007 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I listened to that interview, that woman is bat **** crazy, a pure an utter nutter.

    The biggest reason why labour will never get into future governments.

    Her ideologically when it comes to immigration is essentially rolling out the red carpet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,007 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I think this family reunification is falling under the radar at bit but this is just nuts that our government is not keeping stats on this

    Earlier this month, we reported that there had been a significant increase in the number of persons who, having being granted asylum, have also been approved for bringing family members to Ireland under the Family Reunification process in the period from 2019-2024.

    However, that data showed a big surge in the number of approvals – they tripled from 265 persons approved in 2019 to 983 approvals in 2024, with a total of 3,071 applications approved from 2019 to May 7, 2025. However, the data from the Department of Justice did not say how many persons subsequently entered the country on foot of each approval.

    I cannot fanthom how a government can be so incompetent.

    It just beyond a joke at this stage

    That’s all mightily convenient isn’t it? There’s a massive surge in people who have been granted asylum getting the right to bring their families here but the State is clueless as to what the actual effect of that is. It’s always easier, isn’t it, not to be answerable for the impact of policy on the demand for services, especially housing, when you can simply say the data is not recorded.

    They use this lack of data to hide behind.

    In other terrific news

    BREAKING: Locals have welcomed confirmation from the Department of Justice that the Carna Bay Hotel will not be sought for use as an asylum centre. Residents of the famed west Conamara Gaeltacht village had strongly opposed plans for an IPAS centre. 

    The Department of Justice issued a statement today saying that they were “no longer considering the offer of an potential IPAS accommodation centre” at the Carna hotel. They said that the decision to discontinue this particular proposal is based on current considerations around the location with regard to access to services in the area and the current level of need in the sector”.

    Imagine having this in a Gaeltacht area in the first, what brainless idea to put IPAS into an Irish speaking area. This government is already doing enough to destroy rural Ireland as is, stop diluting the Irish language



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the next census has us very close, if not over 6m people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,007 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Sure the 22% of the population of Ireland born overseas and Ireland having the fourth largest non-national population of all 27 member states

    This is nuts for a small country and it's just a ticking time bomb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://gript.ie/breaking-carna-very-proud-as-ipas-proposal-falls/

    Another victory this time for the natives in one of our Gaeltachts. Dangerous times we live in when even the Gaeltachts are a target but thankfully the people won.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


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    The huge and unsustainable levels of population growth in Ireland over the last couple of years, driven largely by migration.

    Big piece on the housing crisis in this morning’s Irish Times. They mention that home ownership in the 25-39 cohort now stands at 7%. Yep, 7%.
    What is the usual age when people try to settle down and begin families again?

    And population growth as a driver of demand is only mentioned as an afterthought and dismissed as being an important factor. More people doesn’t mean more houses required apparently.

    Oh and no mention whatsoever of migration being the underpinning of this excessive population growth. You’d never expect it from the Irish Times would you?



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