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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,224 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Case in point the old route out of Westport towards Newport.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Agreed, but in this case I'm saying that following the Blackwater would probably be better than following the railway. The river is the primary tourist attraction in the area anyway and links all meaningful settlements. It's only East of Cappoquin then that we have a real open discussion about route possibilities.

    Here I suggest that following the road alignment is probably the way to go. N72 road upgrade and greenway project perhaps? Very difficult no matter what's chosen here at this section, it'll get resistance either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    What is the existing infrastructure alongside the river? Any route near a river is going to get EIA'd into the long grass unless there's some 'flood protection scheme' that it comes under (and given the growing body of evidence on how those impact rivers vs natural management those seem to be ill advised)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    There's roads quite close to the river throughout, and there's walkways in place near all of the settlements. You're right that EIA is a concern but I think it'd be a better end outcome than the old rail route. The flood protection schemes in Mallow and Fermoy are actually very advanced or complete, so they can be leveraged straight off - the pathways are in place already. The Cappoquin scheme is in planning still. It's not a "silver bullet" for sure, but I think it might be better than some of the rail route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    the Part 8 advertisement of the additional pedestrian bridges at Lowtown and adjacent to Healys Bridge / Bonynge Bridge to be advertised late Q2 2025

    And here it is;



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    CPO for Connemara Greenway project confirmed without modifications

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Great news. Clifden to Oughterard is a substantial stretch but of limited value until it is extended into Galway city. How accurate is the route you have marked in your greenways map?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    For that stretch, probably not at all amd just tracking the old rail line. Need to update it with the preferred route, is the docs website still up?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    are they not just following the old line? I had a read of one of the objections and it was saying they use the old railbed to move livestock to dry ground. Expect the greenway to be covered in shite much of the time so 🙂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    I'll see can I pull up the design docs, I would imagine it's going in mostly along the old alignment, but my route won't be the exact alignment as of now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    There's just isolated chunks of the old trackbed left, where two ditches still exist intact. Most of the route there is either nothing at all, it's completely demolished, or just one ditch now forming a field boundary.

    There's considerable opposition from property owners, I'd be surprised if this comes to anything other than crayons on a map. At best a route with so many dog legs and diversions to make it unpleasant to use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Well it's been approved for the CPO stage, so the government will own the land for the planned route regardless

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Oddly enough when I went looking for the documents I found stuff related to the CPO submission but nothing on the full length of the route.

    The main breif here seems to suggest a considerably larger section of the route is complete than I have on my map, but frustratingly only shows from Clifden to Recess.

    As this seems entirely concerned with the CPO of property along the route I have to infer that the remainder of the route has been acquired without CPO. I can't speak to its level of completion however, but this one snuck up on me! Galway County Council don't seem to want to toot their trumpet about it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Limkip


    When I drove to Clifden early last year I had no idea of the completed section to Gowlen West, as well as the works that were underway in Recess at the time. I'm really looking forward to its full completion but it's been frustrating trying to follow its progress since GCC haven't been great at communicating it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    If anyone out that way fancies a scope out it would be much appreciated!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Some decent info on the current status of the Connemara Greenway here including map;



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Mullinabreena


    The Burma Road greenway looks to be now cancelled. A change of mind from Irish rail. There'll be no operational railway either for at least another 25 years, if ever. It seems like a missed opportunity.

    https://sligogreenway.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭mayo.mick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Dublin City Council is delighted to announce the opening of Section 4 of the Royal Canal Greenway Phase 3 — from Newcomen Bridge to Clarke’s Bridge — officially launched on Friday, 20th June at lunchtime.This video highlights some of the great new features, including a granite plaza opposite Charleville Mall Library, a drinking water fountain, and a bike maintenance station

    https://x.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1937092825708957948

    only a little bit but nice all the same. How long does it take to bury some electrical cables lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    The bike maintenance station is a nice touch. They should have them at regular points along the greenway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,352 ✭✭✭trellheim


    not too sure it wont get vandalized really quickly to be honest in that particular location but sure time will tell



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Cork East:

    Work on Carrigtwohill greenway currently visible on Google Maps satellite view, to the West of the train station. This is very recent imagery, likely 1-2 months old. Not visible on Google Maps is the considerable progress near the train station itself. Dronehawk has very recent footage here:

    Just try and block out the "bloody cyclists bring back the Youghal train" comments :D

    I'm also hearing secondhand that people are actively using the Midleton-Ballinacurra greenway now, and that sections of greenway at Glanmire Hazelwood road might be underway/starting. I'll go try and get first-hand confirmation of these when I can.

    I'm guessing now that the reason the greenway at the Elm Tree was not opened was actually a strategic move to prevent vulnerable users getting to the section beside Stryker, which had previously been open for a few years and is now under construction once again. There's heavy machinery using what was the greenway up until recently. Maybe they foresaw this conflict and simply didn't open the Elm Tree section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭MindBent


    Any idea what the delay is along the L2998 between Woodville where it stops and the M8 motorway overpass near Gealscoil Ui Drisceoil where it starts again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    ABP approvals for CPO I was told was the delay. Also was told it would be started again before summer 2026. In fact I was told all 15-ish Glanmire roads projects should be started by then, which would include the greenway from Riverstown to Glanmire Village.

    That also includes the section of road between the Aldi and the Castle (though I've been told the design for construction is different than the design for consultation), and also the Tivoli Dunkettle to City (Port of Cork) scheme.

    I don't know if it includes the greenway on the Hazelwood road or the new bus terminus on the Hazelwood road.

    All second hand info, I'm not on the project teams.

    Finally, it looks like the design for construction at Hazelwood junction is different than the design for consultation. The murder strip appears to be gone, and a protected junction included. Maybe not quite for the "greenways" thread, but nice all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    More Cork East updates:

    The section of greenway into Eastgate (Little Island) is now substantially complete. It should be open for use soon. I'll update when I'm confident it's fully open. This might seem like a limited scheme but it's significant because options to enter Little Island at present are very poor. Most choose to cycle on the footpath because the road has heavy traffic and high HGV % and it can be quite scary. There are 2 schools and near 10,000 people arriving/leaving daily for work. So a very small scheme but I suspect will have an outsized impact.

    I also popped over to Glanmire for a look and the scheme on the Hazelwood road is definitely underway now, as is the scheme between the Aldi and the Lidl in Glanmire. Large teams working on each. Without having inside info, and as a casual observer I would guess at both being usable by bike before the end of the year.

    Finally also in Glanmire area the schemes connecting Fernwood and Ballinglanna are usable by bike and the chicane gates on the greenway section at Dunkettle interchange have now been remedied - one set of gates removed and replaced with bollards, the other gap between the chicane gates widened to 2m or more.

    All in all large amounts of work going on in the area: that's 5 or 6 different unrelated sites putting in dedicated cycle infrastructure on a single 5km trip there with more to soon follow.

    Possibly over-optimistic here but I'm predicting a finished fully cycle-able suburb with greenways as its core spine some time in the next 18-24 months. That's a serious turnaround for what was a very car dominated area.

    There's a big mix of designs (greenways and cycleways) throughout though. It varies from full greenway to 2-way cycleway plus footpath, to shared footpath, to 1-way cycleways per-side etc.

    I'm conflicted by whether I should be updating the greenways thread with some of the stuff I'm detailing here. An full cycle network is emerging in the area rather than an individual greenway.

    And just to add, I think the catalyst for all of this was something of a "perfect storm" between a flood relief scheme necessitating road layout changes, a major motorway interchange project and a council boundary change all happening in the area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    I suppose there isn't really an active thread detailing broader cycle network changes.

    If I had any time free I'd love to try and put together a couple of maps (probably have to learn OSM to do them justice). One for the full existing cycle network, with a few quality indicators for each (separation from vehicles/pedestrians, date built, maintenance level (easy as its effectively nonexistent here 🥲), single, dual track etc) - That would be a truly mammoth task, probably need a dedicated team of people maintaining and adding to it.

    Lower end of the scale I just want to add key linkages for each greenway to all 'local' (within 5km) built up areas to show the potential network effect of each.

    The map in general I include cycleways unless they are paint only basically (some might still be anyway...)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yes I'm only reporting fully segregated infrastructure in my updates too: I don't really consider paint to be worthy of discussion.

    That kind of map you're describing would be great alright, but I think your own one is already very useful as-is. I think you could possibly even get away with removing completed schemes and only tracking progression of schemes in design/development/consultation phases, leaving the depiction of completed schemes to Google or OpenStreetMap or whoever your base layer provider would be. But it's more valuable as-is than any other maps for cycle infrastructure discussion!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    That would be a truly mammoth task, probably need a dedicated team of people maintaining and adding to it.

    I've said it before but the DOT really should be doing that. It shouldn't be particularly difficult for them as they could mandate a reporting regime from Local Authorities and TII (i.e. notify when something moves from planning to construction to complete) and receive a common file format for uploading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Exactly, can you imagine them just... not knowing if a road existed or not? If you want people to use cycling as a viable transit mode, you should know what the existing network looks like and its quality.

    Maybe they do have that data (or at least some of it) but it shouldn't require an FoI for this stuff to be publicly available.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/travel-and-transport/active-travel/active-travel-schemes/central-area/royal-canal-greenway/royal-canal-greenway-north-strand-road-2

    Royal Canal Greenway Phase 3:

    Looks like July 18th opening date for Russell Street (Croke Park) to Ballybough and end of August for Drumcondra to Russell Street. The Ballybough to North Strand section opened on June 20th.

    Almost there!!!



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