Eurovision Song Contest 2025 - Mod warning in the OP

I agree. I wasn't urging anyone to start such a campaign, just mentioning it as a possible consequence.

It would be better if EBU heeds such calls and looks at the televote process e.g. reduce the device limit of 20 votes, look at whether it makes sense to allow voting all the way through the contest etc.
I'd prefer to keep the 50-50 jury televote split but something has to give.

If you vote through the app it's linked to your payment card, so if you have a regular debit card, and a credit card, and Revolut, you can vote 60 times. The Revolut virtual cards make it even worse. This is how Israel have racked up the points this year and last. Average viewers are only voting a handful of times.

I think the limit needs to be far lower than 20, or if you keep it at 20 limit how many times someone can vote for the same song.

Advertising campaigns for any entry need to be banned outright.

My definition of a "girlbop" is: a young woman with big hair and a tight outfit singing an uptempo pop song with lots of dancing, hair-whipping and elaborate staging. The singer will be referred to as a "Queen" by many in the fandom and she won't sing or perform on stage, she will "slay" or "serve c*nt."

I wouldn't classify Luxembourg as a girlbop.

I appreciate others will have a different definition :)

Totally agree re: advertising and that's a good idea on the limit, shouldn't be 20 for same song for sure.

Cheers, ok yeah Luxembourg and Ireland etc wouldn't fall into that category then - pop songs but not enough "bop".
Poland had "bop" but not "girlbop".
Spain seems like it might be "girlbop" to me.

And then France, Switzerland, Greece not pop\bop.
The UK trio too musically.

Maybe they should make a bigger deal of presenting a jury award prize.

Since the introduction of the semi-finals, Ireland has participated in 19 semi finals and qualified from 7 of them (of which 2/7 were Jedward!) That's <37% success rate, and tbh I think most of those NQ's were deserved.

The only one I would argue strongly should have qualified was Molly Sterling in 2015; she made top ten with jury but was sadly buried by televote.

I thought Emmy this year was somewhat unlucky, in that neither the song nor the performance was truly awful, but neither was it truly great; it was all just "ok", and that wasn't enough to stand out on the night.

For other years I thought the song was good enough but the live performance didn't work (Lesley Roy in 2021), whereas other times the performance was good but the song just wasn't good enough (Brooke Scullion 2022, Sinéad Mulvey 2009).

And then there were the years where neither song nor performance deserved anything (Donna & Joe 2005, Nicky Byrne 2016, Sarah McTernan 2019, Wild Youth 2023). I feel like Wild Youth could have been a decent entrant if they sent something with more of an indie-rock sound but they made the mistake of trying to look like and sound like what they thought Eurovision was, rather than just be themselves.

Totally agree on these all. Molly Sterling was hard done by and in some ways ahead of it's time.

Brooke definitely could have done well with a better song, something like the below which she released not too long after for example is a tune.

Re Ireland, I think in hindsight it was a bad sign when Ireland was not drawn to open the SF. Ireland and Australia were the only fun up-tempo songs in the first half and based on the studio versions 'Laika Party' seemed a more appropriate opener than 'Milkshake Man'. The fact Australia opened signalled producers didn't have confidence that Ireland's staging would be impactful enough to open the show. So frustrating, if it had of been staged better we easily could have qualified. We got 28 points, the same as Serbia and Georgia but we scored points off more countries than they did which is why we are 13th and they are 14th & 15th. That shows we had potential for more universal reach if the song had been staged better.

The televotes are grouped similar to the way the jury votes with a 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,12.

So they got some votes, but there were at least 10 countries ahead of them who reached the threshold of bagging some points. If you're not in the Top 10 you get 0.

Each participating country awards two sets of 12, 10, 8–1 points, based on their ten favourite songs from other countries. One set of picks comes from their professional jury, and the other from televoting in their country. Only the set from televoting is used in the semi-finals. Both sets from jury and televoting are used in the final.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_at_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest

This is great!

I think he enjoyed it really, he gives himself away a few times.