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The Official Cavan GAA Discussion thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Custard_Cream


    Fair play to the minors last night - it has really lifted the mood across the whole county.. Hats off to everyone involved.

    I have been so impressed by Ed O Hanlons interviews over the last few weeks. I really think this guy is a serious operator. Saying things like "changing the narrative" around Cavan football. The whole set up has a great feel to it with Mackey involved and also the Tyrone coach. We look so well organized and set up . Very exciting summer ahead now with an all Ireland quarter final in the calendar now too .

    I said it before it would not take heart surgery to change our fortunes at underage .. Once we start to get good managers like Ed over our teams, things can change very quickly ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    The one pulled back for the free was the 15 fouling the ball with a double hop, so brought back to the advantage for him being pulled when running in down the line.

    I can't remember a questionable 4/3 breech off the top of my head… any idea when (rough ballpark) it happened?

    At a total guess it might have been an unintentional 4/3 breech contesting or carrying the ball, which would lead to a free directly on the half-way line rather than the usual 20/40m free, but no memory of one of those happening yesterday so could well be the throw ball mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    It was near the end and a player caught the ball and ran over the line with it to breach I think. The ref brought it for a throw up but poster above thinks it was throw ball and not for the breach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 496 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    Yeah. Spot on. Just watched it back there.

    Can't see the ref give the sweeping motion & 3 fingers to signal the 4/3 breech the way the camera catches him, but him pushing the free back to the exact spot on the half-way line suggests that's exactly what it was for (as would the crowd/bench reaction as he fielded the ball).

    The handpass/throw would have been that 7m or 8m further forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    I think the superlatives are flowing a bit early about the minor management. They’re working with these lads since November/December. It has been impressive to date but don’t forget Ed won an U17 title with the Gaels, got them to an Ulster Final in 2023 but then last year lost in both league and championship with the same team when it changed back to U18.

    Prior to this, this minor squad had 2 years of development work with Ollie Costello from Crosserlough, one of the Whartons and other coaches from clubs. A lot of work has gone in and trips around the country playing challenges.

    They are also a talented bunch from the work their clubs put in. For example, other years you had stand out forwards like Daragh Lovett that underage teams relied on - this squad had three in Quigley, Brady & Graham.

    They also have a goalie who looks like he could be the next Ray Galligan. That’s if he even stays in goals because he could just as easily partner James Smith at midfield.

    It’s been testament to their strength in depth that they have lost starting players and it hasn’t disrupted their performances. For example, Lee Glennon, Matthew Duffy, Finian Smith & Simon Kolimar arguably all should be starting in the backs and were when fit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,372 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So you put all your belief into what some Podcaster said ?? I put mine into what two selectors told me.

    Now I know that no team goes into any game with the intention of losing and Louth like Cavan tried to win the game BUT that does not deny the fact that Louth were targeting the Leinster Championship. The fact that they won Leinster would support the likelihood of them putting more relevance on that competition, plus the fact that they didn't start their best 15. My opinion holds up while yours does not.

    Nobody is asking you to check anything about Louth as there's no need. Although you didn't check the post where another poster said that Craig Lennon scored 6 points in a game he didn't even play in before thanking it.

    Anyway we'll move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    Where did that come out of



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,372 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Great win for Cavan in Castlebar. Well done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 hatefulrory


    I thought exactly the same when I saw that interview. I was reminded of Gearoid's interview after the U21 Final where he said they wanted to prove this team wasn't the same as the Cavan sides who had gone before.

    Given how far off we've been over the years it's great and as Cavan King said, everyone involved with this side over the past few years deserves credit.

    The U20 Management appointment is absolutely crucial now. If we could identity another young hungry manager like Ed who knows what it takes to win in the modern game, it would be a huge boost.

    I'd have taken your arm off for 1 win over the past 24 hours and we managed 2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭tazman06


    What a win. Unreal. Simply class. Had a plan, executed it. The 6 to 8 points we were leading by near the end genuinely wouldn't flatter us. 3 point loss flatters them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭ipitydafool


    I think you are being slightly disingenuous towards Ed here. I am not annointing him as the next Jim McGuiness and of course there have been others involved with developing these players but he and his backroom team have this group playing up to and beyond their potential, they are really well drilled as others have said, in two games they have adjusted their tactics in game to outsmart the opposition. I have only heard good things about Gavin McNeary and the work he has done in St Pats with modern analytical approach. If you look at the u16 Gerry Reilly team that lost to Kildare last year to the minor team this year, there was no Templeport players on it and now there are 4, Sam Maguire brilliant game yesterday in the middle of the park. Jake Brady who underage again next year brought in, don't believe the Ramor corner back was playing last year with the u16 Gerry Reilly team either. Lastly to say Ed lost the u18 league and championship with the Gaels last year is also harsh, there was 4 particularly strong teams in Cavan Gaels, Mullahorn, Kingscourt and Southern Gaels with not much between them, Kingscourt got in a new management team that brought that team on alot with some very good players on it and still in the league final only two points between them and the Gaels and they could of won it. Gaels had won the semi final on penalties against Mullahorn, shows how close it was. I am as far from a Gaels supporter as you will get but credit where credit is due, Ed and his management team deserve kudos for their work with the Cavan minors and hopefully they get a big crowd to support them next Saturday in Enniskillen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    The coaching team last year wouldn’t have been allowed bring then U15s up for the Gerry Reilly. It is when the team moves to U17 minor level, that there is now what I understand is actually a requirement to bring at least five to six of the U16 panel, if not more. Therefore the players you named above Smart & Brady were not available to them.

    There’s no doubting they have done good work but they’ve done it in the last six months. These lads were already primed and had two years development with coaches who unfortunately walked away over the way they were treated in the management process last November.

    Who ever is responsible, be it the Westmeath manager or whomever, should be getting those lads on the phone with a view to getting them back because I have heard the U15 panel are also talented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 hatefulrory


    Anyone with an ounce of sense can see the outstanding job Ed and the management have done. If they had lost, we'd almost certainly have people on here bemoaning the management lack of experience etc.

    When they lost the first league game to Donegal, we had people saying that these teenagers needed a psychologist and management were too inexperienced. Was anyone talking about their development coaches then? Of course not. Now things are going better, they look everywhere but at management to dole out praise. It's just plain begrudgery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Naughty_Skelator



    It’s a bit strange the love in for the minor management here, on a night we had a fantastic senior championship win, it’s great to be in a provincial final but Danny Brady and John Brady both took us to minor provincial finals within the last 10 years and there’s no clammering to ‘’discover managers like them for the under 20’s ‘’. If they turn over Tyrone in the final then absolutely sing their praises, but until then they haven’t achieved anything of note.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 hatefulrory


    Finals back then were not a big deal for Cavan underage. Sadly, they are a big deal now. Just look at the reaction of the players at full time. These lads were about 6 years old when our U21 run ended. They have seen little else but failure of Cavan underage sides.

    The organisation, particularly in defence, motivation and coaching is obviously at a very high level. So yes, I would like to see a manager capable of implementing similar at U20 level.

    Posters here feigning disinterest at anything except silverware are comical. If you're from Cavan and your name isn't Dermot McCabe, Terry Hyland or Peter Reilly, you are in no position to look down your nose at this minor management team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,348 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    I’ll dole out praise when it’s warranted. One swallow doesn’t make a Summer. When O’Hanlon has consistently performed in the role, he’ll get the superlatives.

    Damien Donohoe, who you previously held out as a benchmark, had one good year in three, not winning anything. I hope to god that isn’t the same for Ed but you seem to have low expectations.

    O’Hanlon has inherited a talented group of players and won nothing yet either. I have complimented the performance of management above but it seems that the expectation is to wax lyrical with no cups in Breffni yet.

    And why would we begrudge a Cavan manager success? Is there no such thing as the middle ground on here? Yes, he’s done well to date but it’s six months! Come back to me after 18 or 24! Meanwhile, you’re hoping we can clone O’Hanlon for the U20 job because you liked the cut of his jib in some interviews, has Larry even officially left!?

    On another note, anyone that was in Castlebar, how did Ryan Donohoe perform when given his chance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Naughty_Skelator


    Which member of the Management team are you then? Seems to be a few with connections to the panel or management on here,
    Nobody is looking down on anyone who gives up their time to coach or manage at IC level, I’m stating a fact that they haven’t won anything yet, they have won some good games and got battered in one game and well beaten in another game by Tyrone.

    If they beat Tyrone,in the final they deserve all the plaudits they will receive. Until then they haven’t achieved anything more than a number of previous managements have done.
    They certainly haven’t achieved enough for about 2 pages worth of posts on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 hatefulrory


    People create defensive mechanisms when they are invested in the fortunes of a team. You pair seem to have chosen to create a win win situation for yourselves in your desire to see Cavan win a trophy.

    You warn heavily against being happy about any progress after a win "one swallow doesn't make a summer" "they haven't achieved anything yet" If you let the feeling of excitement in, the loss down the line will sting a bit more.

    If they lose, well then you lash out to cover the disappointment. Management are the easy target so tear into them, you've laid the groundwork already in preparation. You knew they weren't good enough all along. Cavan might have lost but you were right.

    If Cavan win then of course you're delighted to be proved wrong. A small price to pay for seeing us win a trophy. It all gets washed away in the delight anyway.

    It's okay to be invested and feel some excitement and be disappointed when it doesn't go well lads. Nobody believes that you are serial winners that deal only in silver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Naughty_Skelator


    I can’t speak for Cavan King, This celebrate winning a game like we have won an All Ireland mentality that you have ,in my opinion has plagued Cavan football for decades, Nobody was calling for the heads of the minor management after both defeats by Tyrone, people are reasonable as to allow a campaign to conclude before giving a verdict on how Management has done. The scales are absolutely tilting towards the positive side so far, Cavan King and myself have both stated that, you and a few posters however, want to anoint the minor manager as the new Mickey Harte and that is simply premature, we all hope he is and the signs have been positive but it’s much too early to be making such comments. I’m going to leave this conversation here, we should be discussing Castlebar and not fighting among ourselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭mylestheslasher


    Jesus only in Cavan would you find lads arguing with each other after a weekend like that!

    Well done to the minors, I was able to watch the stream of it and it was an impressive performance and an important one to get back to an Ulster final. I thought we were in trouble in midfield in the 1st half and did not see the complete turnaround there coming, young Graham in particular had some 2nd half. Hopefully now they can push on against Tyrone, sometimes its the momentum coming at the right time that can get you over the line.

    Then the senior win yesterday was something else. I don't think anyone saw that coming. It was fantastic to see the hunger, the fight, the aggression to run hard at Mayo and basically batter them off the field in the 2nd half. Also very pleasing and important to see how the 2 injuries to 2 lads who were motoring well did not cause the lads to drop their heads. Lastly, great to see Paddy Lynch back on the field. I am sure he has a way to go but fair play to him and hopefully he can have a say in a few games before the season is out.

    Congratulations also to our Senior Ladies, a fine win in the Ulster Final against Down. With all the underage success in Ladies football we should see our senior team soon challenging at Senior level I think.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭tazman06


    For me anyway, it's more about how we went about the last 3 results. Sure, of course we can only look back after a campaign, or end of a term to see fully, but I just simply like what I see so far from the line. Just simply focussing on the decisions coming there, we look a well organised team. And they are learning as they go from what's in front of them which is as much as you can ask. That's the Down and Donegal games where we organised at half time, and we came out way way better based on how the opposition reacted. Substitutions and movement of players worked, as well as his own organisation and instruction to the players during the match (maybe it's because I was sat just up behind him maybe and could hear what he was saying to the players too). Think it's ok to like what we see from a young manager, even if the final doesn't go our way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭mylestheslasher


    Oh one other things that I find irritating, this nonsense that Cavan have not beaten Mayo in the championship since 1948! Cavan did not play Mayo at all in the championship from 1948 until 2005 (57 years). Yes we have met them I think 3 times in qualifiers since then and lost but in fairness, what a lazy stupid stat this 1948 things is that is being bandied about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    It wasn't just the win, it was the performance. It was what you would want from a Cavan team. Each and every player tore into them, emptied the tank and when we play at that level its a joy to see. Warriors all over the place and we were far the better team. Mayo were poor beacuse we didn't let them play and a 3 point margin seriously flattered them.

    Heartbreaking for Donnelly, any idea on McEvoy? I know they said blood substitution but he looked in a lot of distress.

    As you said @mylestheslasher we were flying when the 2 lads went off and whilst that knocked us for a while we came back and absolutely dominated the game.

    Big call to bring Brady in, his kick outs were great. Would have liked if he had have come for the high ball at the end and taken O Shea, Gunner and ball but that's just nit-picking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    He was okay. I know you rate him highly but he wasn't in the middle of the park, he was a wing half forward. Kept it simple, worked hard.

    Stand out performers were Cormac Reilly, O Connell, Carolan, Oisin Kiernan. Faulkner was quiet by his standards for the first half but big second half. Holla was outstanding all day- jesus that lad has some engine. Cian Reilly man of the match for me, just ahead of Cormac and Holla. Flawless in defence and tore up the field continually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭mylestheslasher




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    That was one of our best performances in a long. long time. Set the tempo from the start, had Mayo penned in their own half against a strong breeze. Should have been more up and then lost Donnelly and McEvoy, both of whom were going well, to bad injuries. Second half we battered them. Our defence was brilliant, and we broke at speed. Kicked some brilliant scores, I forgot to mentino Cian Madden who had an outstanding second half



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    Okay, that's nasty but thankfully not long-term.

    Lovely to see Paddy Lynch back in blue and fantastic point off his left too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭tazman06


    He walked past us on the way out (think he was with his folks) and had wadding up his nose. Didn't look broke more just bleeding, but could well be

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭mylestheslasher


    I didnt see but I am going by the podcast, i think they said it was broken on that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,731 ✭✭✭celt262


    Well if it it was on the podcast it must be right….

    Hopefully that performance can be backed up now it was a powerful performance and up a few levels from what we have seen in quiet a while.



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