Kneecap - New Footage *Read OP for Mod Warning*

"It is entirely possible to accept that Israel is committing genocide, agree with what Kneecap are saying, but also condemn them for crossing a line, which they clearly did."

The Kneecap statement:

Let us be unequivocal: we do not, and have never, supported Hamas or Hezbollah. We condemn all attacks on civilians, always. It is never okay. We also reject any suggestion that we would seek to incite violence against any MP or individual. Ever"

The term "all attacks" couldn't be clearer.

As for the jimmy saville reference … I think you want to cop on a bit and maybe think about editing that bit out.

yet people are still bending over backwards to defend them.

The only good Tory is a dead one and kill your local MP seem to be pretty clear statements as well.

I’m one of those that support Kneecap for their pro-Palestine stance.

They didn’t wave the flag of terrorists, one member made a chant that they have apologised for.

This is all taking away from their actual message and actual issue of genocide being committed by Israel, which is exactly what the UK and US media want.

They've made an unequivocal written apology for those statements.

Do you doubt the sincerity of their apology?

If so, why?

Remember you're comparing a clear unambiguous written statement released for everyone to read and judge with a few shouted words during a performance that were captured on a mobile phone in 2023.

I'm not defending it.

The band themselves are not defending it.

They are certainly not downplaying it. They could have just said something like "ah look it was part of the performance and was just shouted ironically"

They didn't. They released a very clear statement.

The real issue (carnage, genocide, orchestrated famine in Gaza) is being conveniently pushed aside.

Have you read their statement? It's as clear and unequivocal a statement as possible.

Can you suggest what they could possibly add to it?

they could and should have owned their mistake, rather than pretend it is a conspiracy against them, as should all of those who are trying to pretend it is nothing. Rather than defend them, call them out for being stupid and making needlessly inflammatory statements.

the real issue isn’t being pushed aside at all. This thread is about the comments they made, slogans they chanted and flags they waved at a concert. There are plenty of other places discussing the ongoing crisis in Gaza.

I agree with 99.9 of the comments that they have made.

Do I agree with them saying "Up Hamas", No I don't. However they put out a sincere and clear apology about it.

All this nonsense noise is taking away from their main and most vocal stance which is against the genocide in Gaza. People seem to be washing over there thousands of comments on that which is far more important than one about MP's from 2 years ago.

Now, do you agree with their anti-genocide comments?

Race has nothing to do with it! The issue is about Racism.

It’s difficult to believe that so many people on here who are so confident in their declarations on race and racism, and who pompously encourage other people to check the basics don't even understand such basics themselves. So I will explain.

RACISM is defined as prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ETHNIC GROUP. 

From Psychology today:

Persistent negative bias and narratives about an individual or a group based on race, ETHNICITY, cultural background, and/or national origin 

The emphasis here in both definitions is on ETHNICITY, where

ETHNICITY is a social construct based on cultural and historical factors, not biological ones.

The English (as indeed the Irish) are A DISTINCT ETHNIC GROUP and nation, defined by a shared history, culture, language and common ancestry. (Cole, Jeffrey (2011). Ethnic Groups of Europe: An Encyclopaedia).

It is therefore absolutely logically possible for Irish people to be Racist towards English people, as indeed the famous Punch Caricatures of the Irish being portrayed as being dirty, simian, knuckle-draggers was racist against Irish people years ago.

ETHNICITY is also why white Irish people can be racist against other white Irish people in the form of Irish racism against the Traveller community who have been deemed a separate ethic community based on the above definitions.

In summation, Racism is not just based on your limited understanding of the subject.

The English, or Irish, not being a Race  has nothing to do with Racism towards either group, whether you like it or not, so please stop saying that. You're just creating yet another false narrative online.

"They haven’t actually said they were wrong to say it."

Yes. That would have been unequivocal.

They could then have continued with their campaign about Israel and Gaza.

Nah, the English are not a race, in common with Ireland the vast majority of their population are white caucasians.

And do you have an example of Kneecap stating anything that signified hatred of the people of England, or Britain as a whole Eighteen days on and not a single comment that could be deemed as racist or hateful of a people has been identified.

I'm in agreement. No to Israeli genocide. Never Again!

Not on X and unable to open.

Kneecap have never been anything but supportive of the Palestinian right to resist colonialism (as with the situation in the North of Ireland) but they're not people who celebrate the death of others. I condemn the killings of October 7 but the barbaric genocide that followed has no justification in any sort of world. Murder of civilians and IDF personnel does not justify killing 32,000 children (a conservative estimate according to The Lancet).

More horrific scenes from Gaza today as Israel continues to kill all round them …..Shame on all who support the Israel killing machine

They posted this on the 8th Oct 2023. Note the clenched fist emoji.

Grinning ear to ear after 1200 people were slaughtered.

Is that evidence enough for you of where their true feelings lie.

What's your excuse for this one?