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Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454517#Comment_123454517

6,407 Palestinians killed from 2008 and 2023 compared to 308 Israeli's. No deaths are justified however there is no balance here and the balance hasn't shifted to over 62,000 Palestinians killed compared to 1,300 Israeli's, where's the balance?

Completely hypocritical of you to say that when you're ignoring the abhorrent genocide by the IDF.

You actually tried to somehow give reasoning behind the large number of children who are dying by inferring that they were either just Hamas militants, killed by Hamas rockets or being used as human shields. Where is your condemnation of the IDF in your balanced view?

Randycove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123453852#Comment_123453852

yes.

Do you condemn their calls to kill MPs?

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454823#Comment_123454823

I had previously said I didn't agree with everything that they have said "I agree with 99.9 of the comments that they have made. Do I agree with them saying "Up Hamas", No I don't." Same would go for their MP remark, which they have apologised for.

I do agree with their hundreds if not thousands of pro-Palestine, anti-genocide comments which are far more important than a one off statement during a concert in 2023.

That is just noise which is being used to try and tarnish them as they spoke out against Israel and the UK/US media couldn't handle that.

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454733#Comment_123454733

Who counted that 6407 ? The same Hamas who said there were hundreds of Palestinians killed by an Israeli bomb or missile once in hospital car park, but it transpired upon investigation it was just a few militants killed by their own missile they were trying to fire in to Israel and which exploded pre-maturely.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455270#Comment_123455270

Who counted that 6407 ? 

The United Nations.

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

You're a hypocrite, an IDF sympathiser or hopefully just a troll as if you're not you're barely human with the lack of conscience you have.

Mod - warned for uncivil post

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455282#Comment_123455282

And because Hamas terrorists / militants do not wear uniforms, who is there differentiating between militants and innocent civilians?

Out of the total Gaza population of 2 million ( in round numbers), how many do you think were or are Hamas militants?

How many do you think Israel have captured or killed?

How many Palestinians who opposed Hamas were killed by the ruling Hamas terrorist group in Gaza?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455575#Comment_123455575

It's shocking that you continue to defend and justify Israel's war crimes against Palestine.

Seathrun66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454316#Comment_123454316

Do you have any accredited sources to back up that IDF propaganda. A lie repeated numerous times remains a lie.

This is with particular regard to the long debunked 'human shield' idea. An excuse for killing children that only the truly gullible or those with sociopathic issues would give credence to. These are innocent kids, often infants. Gaza has more than twice the population in an area half the size of Dublin. Nobody is using shields, they're just packed into a tiny area together. That was already inhumane, and now it's genocide.

Do you condemn the killing of thousands of babies by the Israeli state?

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455575#Comment_123455575

Can you provide your sources to back up your claims please?

The UN have provided the numbers, they’re a reliable source.

I’ve provided you statistics, you’re not providing anything other than asking nonsense questions.

If you can’t debate and provide evidence for your IDF propaganda, that’s all it is, propaganda.

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455648#Comment_123455648

In my post just before yours above, my post of 7.25pm, I asked 4 questions. I did not defend or justify anything. Just answer the questions. Here they are again for you:

Because Hamas terrorists / militants do not wear uniforms, who is there differentiating between militants and innocent civilians?

Out of the total Gaza population of 2 million ( in round numbers), how many do you think were or are Hamas militants?

How many do you think Israel have captured or killed?

How many Palestinians who opposed Hamas were killed by the ruling Hamas terrorist group in Gaza?

elperello

Pp

itsacoolday

Seathrun66: Thousands of babies were not killed by the Israeli state. More babies are born each year in Gaza than in Ireland. Yet even in Ireland, there are over 600 deaths of children each year.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455766#Comment_123455766

Consistently asking questions isn’t debating, you used Hitler in your just asking questions style earlier.

If you can’t provide any sources or actual statistics to back up any of your claims, you’re debating in bad faith and just producing IDF propaganda.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455795#Comment_123455795

Can you please provide your sources for your claims?

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455910#Comment_123455910

I have made plenty of statements and also produced sources. Nobody has proven what I said to be untrue. I mentioned Hitler because someone said Kneecap pulled in a big crowd at a gig but I replied Hitler drew big crowds and called for the murder of foreigners he did not like too :Did not mean he was right.

Now please answer the 4 simple questions.

Because Hamas terrorists / militants do not wear uniforms, who is there differentiating between militants and innocent civilians?

Out of the total Gaza population of 2 million ( in round numbers), how many do you think were or are Hamas militants?

How many Hamas you think Israel have captured or killed?

How many Palestinians who opposed Hamas were killed by the ruling Hamas terrorist group in Gaza?

See, you do not know and had not even thought of those questions.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455766#Comment_123455766

Do you not understand? There's absolutely zero point engaging with you.

Everything you post tries to justify Israel's horrific war crimes.

They are currently starving the citizens of Gaza, before they plan on marching on Gaza to get rid of Palestinians from Gaza forever.

It's despicable, and shows a huge lack of anything close to empathy.

No, I have no time for people like you.

Israel has never, ever suffered like this by Palestine's hands. To claim it's in anyway close to similar is just foul.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455795#Comment_123455795

Where are you pulling these figures from?

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123454517#Comment_123454517

Balanced?

In all conflicts between Palestinians and Israelis since the foundation of the Israeli state, the ratio of the 120k people violently killed (that are known about) has been 91.7% / 8.3%. The current conflict is about 97% / 3%.

Millions of Palestinians have been displaced.

In the current conflict, 70% of those killed have been Palestinian women and children. Children aged between 5 and 9 make up the largest group of victims. 80% of those killed have occured in Israeli attacks on residential buildings and homes.

Gaza, a city of 2 million people, has been completely flattened. Israel has barely been touched.

Millions in Gaza are, by many accounts, days away from mass starvation due to a blockade of food and aid by Israel which has lasted months - which is the most shocking and evil thing I have seen happen in my lifetime, and I am not young. I don't believe there is famine of any sort in Israel.

If you want balance, rockets shouldn't even come into the discussion. Whatever Hamas has done is negligible in terms of total numbers killed, displaced, dispossessed, terrorised and injured due to violence.

I am in no way minimising Hamas crimes or October 7th btw, just showing the sheer brutal scale of the wanton killing, dispossession, terror and violence perpetrated by Israel.

For balance.

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455967#Comment_123455967

The aim of Iran / Hamas is to completely eliminate the State of Israel / eradicate Judasism in the middle East.

The memory of what many Jews suffered during ww2 is still very fresh in their minds : they are determined not to allow themselves to be put in such a situation again.

The continued firing of rockets in to Israel, tunnels dug by Hamas etc, relatively minor border attacks by Hamas etc, was tolerated by Israel until the Oct 7th attack. Then it was was war until Hamas returned or returns the 250 hostages. Not all hostages have been returned / rescued yet.

During ww2 Hitler attacked / bombed Coventry, Belfast, London etc . Like Hamas, He sewed the wind, reaped the whirlwind. The Allies bombed Germany killing more people than Hitler did, (in the UK ) , until the war was over. The second the war was over, and Germany surrendered, the Allies stopped bombing and fighting.

Hamas did not surrender yet and they still have hostages.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123455939#Comment_123455939

You refuted the official UN stats with no sources.

You claimed more babies born in Gaza than Ireland with no sources or stats, I gave you 2 sources to show this was wrong.

:Did 

You’ve intentionally used a smiley face (:D) in your defence of using Hitler as an example comparing him to Kneecap.

You’re asking questions based on my opinions, that’s not how real statistics are determined.
Can you provide any statistics to back up these questions that you’re asking? You clearly know more about these supposed awful answers, so tell the group.

itsacoolday

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456041#Comment_123456041

What do you expect : Hamas do not operate in uniforms, and mount their sniping etc operations from residential buildings and homes when not mounting operations from underneath or behind hospitals and schools etc.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456357#Comment_123456357

Can you provide your sources for this claim please?

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456357#Comment_123456357

What do I expect? Did you not read about the sheer magnitude of death Israel has caused, and you use Hamas snipers as a rationale?

Did you not see the part where millions of people are dying of starvation due to the forced blockade by Israel? Is this what you support, or what is your opinion on it?

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456284#Comment_123456284

The official UN stats cannot verify exactly how many Gaza militants have been killed out of the Palestinian population because for one thing, those in Hamas do not fight io uniforms, they snipe from behind civilians etc.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456492#Comment_123456492

Again, can you provide sources for any of these claims?

Or what can you provide to discount the official UN stats?

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456284#Comment_123456284

I did not defend Hitler, nor did I use a smiley face when mentioing Hitler. I condemn Hitler, just as I condemn the racist band Kneecap. Someone though Kneecap was great because Kneecap had a large audience at a gig : I replied that does not mean they were right, as Hitler also attracted large audiences and he also call for the death of foreigners.

In Ireland, the fertility rate for 2023 stood at 1.5

Vital Statistics Yearly Summary 2023 - Central Statistics Office

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1423019/gaza-fertility-rate/

According to estimates for 2023, the fertility rate in Gaza was 3.38 children per woman. Compared to the fertility rate of 2005, the fertility rate of Gazan women has decreased by almost half. 

So still far more children are born per woman in Gaza than in Ireland.

Between 2022 and 2023, there were a total of 612 deaths among people aged 18 and under in Ireland. Some 363 of these deaths were among infants under one year, with 272 among newborns under 28 days old.

So no wonder lots of babies die in Gaza every year, unfortunately. They die in Ireland too.

Now, could you please answer the questions:

Because Hamas terrorists / militants do not wear uniforms, who is there differentiating between militants and innocent civilians?

Out of the total Gaza population of 2 million ( in round numbers), how many do you think were or are Hamas militants? 3000? 30,000? 300,000????

How many Hamas do you think Israel have captured or killed?

Why is the death toll relatively low if you think Israel wants to kill innocent civilians?

How many Palestinians who opposed Hamas were killed by the ruling Hamas terrorist group in Gaza? The pIRA killed hundreds of Catholics and kneecapped (tortured and maimed) hundreds more, and it is know Hamas have killed other Muslims who opposed them. You including these dead Muslims killed by Hamas as Muslims killed by Israel?

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456547#Comment_123456547

It is not a claim that Hamas do not fight in uniforms, it is a fact.

Quote:

 A Hamas soldier will wear no uniform and carry no identifying information.  In the case of needing to be identified, most soldiers have dog tags, the IDF even has soldiers put one tag in each boot just in case that needs to be used to identify a soldier.  Hamas does not have this identification for any soldier.  When a civilian is forced into being a human shield it is an illegal action by Hamas, but when a civilian willfully takes place in military operations by acting as a human shield, they lose their protected status.

  There is no way to differentiate between soldiers and civilians as there is no uniform, no dog tags, and just in general they wouldn’t report it if there were.  This allows them to report large numbers of civilian casualties in the place of their fighters.  No authority checking into the matter can say otherwise.  Their casualties will look like civilians because they are made to look that way.  

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456552#Comment_123456552

I didn’t say you defended Hitler, you’ve misread my post. I said you used Hitler in your defence of comparing them to Kneecap.
We all use :Did as a normal posting manner.

Your Gaza fertility stats there was from 1990-2015 with projections to 2050. They didn’t foresee this genocide in the model.
I provided real time actual statistics, you provided a projected model.

Your argument was there are more babies born in Gaza than in Ireland, even your own stats (estimates) prove that to be untrue.

Again I cannot answer those questions as they would be opinionated answers, not facts. If you know the answers as facts, feel free to share them and the sources.

If not, then it’s just more nonsense.

Do you support the IDF?

itsacoolday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123456615#Comment_123456615

You keep making claims which are false For example you wrote that I "intentionally used a smiley face (:D) in your defence of using Hitler as an example comparing him to Kneecap." You must be dreaming or mixing me up with someone else, I did not.

I support the IDFs roll in defending Israel because if there was no IDF Hamas would , if they could, do to all Jews in Israel what happened to the the 1200+ victims at the music festival. Israel is the most democratic country in the middle East. There are Muslims in Israel who are doctors etc and who work in hospitals there. Muslims and Gays etc are better off in it than minorities are in many Muslim majority countries. Christians cannot build a church in Saudi Arabia, which is 100 times the size of Israel? Yet the number of Mosques in Israel has doubled this past 20 years, it is in the 3 figures as far as I remember. Gays are tolerated in Israel as they are in the west: some other places stone them to death. Of course I condemn any excesses by the IDF but it seems to me they are fighting a war against Hamas in which Hamas still have hostages and have not surrendered.

Necro

Mod: Folks if you want to discuss the Israel conflict then there is a thread to do that, I have just viewed the last almost page of posts and there is barely a mention of Kneecap. If it continues in this line I'm going to close the thread as this is now essentially duplicating another discussion.