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Irish rail fleet and infrastructure plans

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭PlatformNine


    Ah that would make a lot more sense. I've just counted from the map and there are 26, only one of which appears to be CCTV eqquiped(XL143). And there even being one actually surprises me, partially because I am surprised that IE has invested even that in the line, but also because I think I have completely misunderstood how CCTV LCs work.

    Truthfully I thought CCTV LCs needed some integration with an existing automatic signalling/TPS system, but if that line has one then it's obviously more complicated. I am curious how they work now, especially on a track with manual signalling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Wexbud


    I heard rumours that IE is relaying sleepers and rails on the Mothballed South Wexford rail line. Possibility that they might reopen it, it still gets the Inspection car, Sperry train, and Tampers were down there to do driver training. Don't know what the condition of the Barrow bridge is after the Ship hit it, either going in or out of New Ross port. The new signs along Wicklow to Rosslare got updated with 'to Waterford' at Rosslare Strand back in Jan/Feb, now they are covered over along the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭PlatformNine


    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/publications/nta-national-rail-census-report-2024/

    Not sure where else to put this and I thought in here would be the best place, the new rail census report just released yesteryday!

    Right away it's important to note that the census was on 14 November 2024 when there was a rugby match on at Aviva stadium which is going to skew the data. They did their best to correct the data for it, including not counting passengers from the extra scheduled services, however even still the data likely can't be directly compared.

    That said I still had a look through and took notes on a lot of interesting things. While some of the data is likely a good indication of future trends such as Enterprise or general IC numbers other data, other figures such as DART numbers may be artificially inflated. I still noted down some of the more notable numbers, as if for nothing else, its interesting.

    My key takeaways:

    • 215333 journies! +21% from 2023
    • IC patronage saw the largest percent increase exceeding 50K passengers, +35% from 2023
    • top 5 busiest stations based on boardings+alightings:
      • Connolly: 44748, +20% from 2023
      • Pearse: 31729, +10%
      • Heuston: 30525, +24%
      • Tara: 22889, +22%
      • Cork: 12680, +21%
    • notable services (only boardings because of the Enterprise figure):
      • 6214 Enterprise passengers, +50% from 2023 (60% were cross border journies)
      • 4224 Howth branch passengers, +43% (mainly from Howth, 1845 up from 1012 or +82%)
      • 952 Rosslare line passengers from Kilcoole-Rosslare Europort, +25%
      • DART patronage reached 87K, the first time exceeding 80K since 2018
    • notable stations: (boardings+alightings)
      • Heuston: surpassed Pearse in alightings becoming second in number of alightings, may be second busiest station next year
      • Kishoge: 519 passengers
      • Ennis: 893 passengers, +30% (53% increase in boardings)
      • Rosslare Europort: 68 passengers, +70% (same number of alightings but 3x the boardings, 41 up from 13)
      • Gormanston: I think someone might have made a mistake as it supposedly had 0 passengers on census day. They said there were no service disruptions that day. It's not a busy stations, typically only seeing 200 boardings+alightings, but I would have a hard time believing not one person boarded or alighted from the station.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,393 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I would suggest a new thread for the rail census would make sense, this thread is already extremely broad scope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,383 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    There was a match at Lansdowne on census day so that biases the numbers significantly as you would have heavy DART, commuter and intercity traffic



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I have to agree with goingnowhere on this , if the census had've happened the following Thursday , very few if any of your key takeaways would've happened.

    There's so many clues on this census as to why it's not a normal annual census , including numbers going southbound in the evening , numbers on all lines between 9pm-11pm up almost 50% on previous year and Intercity numbers after 10pm 😵‍💫



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    It sounds to me that the results of this census should be disregarded. It wasn’t a normal day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I have to agree . If the numbers are back to last year's next year will they remember the reason why this year's numbers were up substantially?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The question has to be asked, who let it happen on this day?

    I know it happens usually on a certain day of the October, but when the match was evidently happening, it should have been moved a week either side.

    As usual, incompetence abounds. It’s interesting seeing how busy things can get. But statistically it’s nothing more than something of not and not comparable. A complete waste of all the enumerator’s time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,845 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Nobody takes the census seriously so wouldn't worry about events taking place becasue there will always be shows taking place. Something in 3Arena would skew intercity data as well.

    An IT professional could compile all the data from validators, TMV, Ticket Office sales, rolling stock passenger counters, CSO take numbers also to give a more accruate typical daily or weekly usage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 DrivingSouth


    As soon as I heard there was such a thing as a 1 day census, I've thought it was a strange way to measure patronage and this is the perfect example why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    The issue is that that isn’t accurate either. There are many who “flash the pass”, fare evade, have tagged on already and reached a cap, buy a ticket in advance, have annual pass, have staff travel, have these open style tickets etc.

    CSO’s aren’t on every train, none on commuter. It wouldn’t show an accurate picture of boardings and alightings at all station by station.

    However, doing it on a match day isn’t accurate either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    What's flash the pass? Do you mean free travel pass?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    would presume so, but as far as i know the pass has to be tagged on and off now.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Irish Rail has signed an agreement to purchase 150 freight wagons, with scope for up to 400 wagons over the next 10 years.

    https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/news/freight-wagon-contract

    Very interesting annoucement. They also did a brief interview with the people that were manufacturing freight wagons in the 1970s/80s.

    It's incredible that Inchicore where manufacturing 9 wagons a week!!!!!!!

    There was such and industry there and then all of a sudden it disappeared…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Love these videos where they interview workers from back in the day. They did similar for the anniversary of the Dart last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Great news to hear!! I wonder what the scope of the order is? New flats certainly, although I do wonder will they go for 60ft long ones like in the UK to take 3 20ft containers…?

    New timber wagons too I presume as that flow doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.

    I do wonder if they’ll bother with new Zinc Ore wagons as the Tara flow is due to end relatively soon enough is it not..? Not today or tomorrow mind, but soon enough where it may not make new wagons with the while…

    Then again maybe they will get them in the expectation that ore and aggregate transportation increasing in the country is part of their railfreight plan…? Is there any more mines or quarries that could facilitate a rail connection and a steady materials flow?

    I wonder what if any other types of wagons they’d go for. Great to see cement back on rail (likely won’t happen though unfortunately) but you’d wonder what surprises might be in the order…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I think it's a joke that Tara mines send approx 20 fully loaded Artic's down the M3 5 days a week. Each probably weighs the max of 44 tons, unnessacy damage/wear and tear to the road, given there is a rail line there.

    Rail frieghts big issue is that there arent enough places to load/unload them close to industrial centres and business parks.

    The business is definately there, we do bulk export things like timber, ore, powedered milk and some building products and booze.
    All stuff that is bulky and or heavy, rail freight makes sense but the infra isn't there.

    On top of that, one of the reasons most of our crops go into animal feed is becuase the yield and quality just isn't there. You need lots of fertizilers and the only way to move such a large amount is on rails. (Again, infra not there)

    The in ability to move artic trailers on rail is also an issue (track loading and clearance), and finally there is no rail access to container terminal on the south keys. There is also Hammaond Lane metal recycling thre, again would make sense to have rail access.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Couldn't agree more. How much of the problem is due to selling off railway land for Celtic Tiger era property development, which then went on to bankrupt the developers, the banks and the state?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    So much of it still reamins, and is idle.
    There are still rails all the way up Alexandra Road, completely disused.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I’ve often heard claims that one of the planning conditions of the mine was that its product must be transported by rail. If that is true, then I presume this must be a temporary arrangement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Currently no freight wagons capable of transporting the ore to the docks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Freight handlers don’t want trains anywhere near the docks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    in an ideal world the relevant minister would step in and tell them tough crap, trains will be going to the docks for loading and unloading and you can work around them.

    but this is ireland so they will get their way.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Confirmed on page 68 here:

    https://www.irishrail.ie/IrishRail/media/Imported/IrishRail_28FebFinal_Part21.pdf

    "The carrying of ores by rail is a requirement of the mine’s planning permission, and is likely to be secure for the lifetime of the mine."

    Could they switch this to another port if Dublin doesn't play ball? Waterford or Foynes maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 thosewhoknow


    Would Rosslare be an option? I know at the moment there isn't any proper rail freight facilities but seen as its owned by Irish Rail you think they'd be putting in some sort of rail support as part of the upgrades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Is this becuase the wagons being used a couple of years ago were at end of life?

    I heard there was a derail at the mine recently enough and it did quite a bit of damage to the sleepers there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Do you mean like Freight forwarding companies?

    It that's the case, then yeah, of course they don't… they stand to lose money

    If it's like Dublin Port themselves, well then that contrary to their stated plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I'm open to correction, but I believe it was Boliden who decided to transport it by road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Yeah, they are too old, and not certified any more. I'm sure there's back and forth between Irish Rail and Boliden over the issue. With the uncertainties at the mine, I'm sure Boliden don't want to invest the cost that new wagons would entail.



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