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Organ Donation becomes Opt Out from June

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭holliehobbie


    Mine would be useless to anyone anyway due to all the various diseases I have. Apart from my corneas!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,360 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    Why is it embarrassing? I don't understand that part. I'm happy to donate my organs but I do have a weird thing about eyes (maybe it's growing up learning they're the window to the soul or something) so I won't donate those.

    As for no opt out - that is going a bit too far. People are still allowed to have bodily autonomy and that includes deciding what happens to them after they die.

    My card lives in my wallet & has done since I was 13 years old. And my wallet goes pretty much everywhere with me once I'm outside the house. I also had one on my phone for a while as an app that was available. I know I have it listed on my emergency information on my phone.

    Personally I'm fully in favour of switching the system to opt-out. I do believe the opt-out should be available - everyone is entitled to their opinion on this and that is ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I hope the opt out register is online and fully operational by the enactment of the new legislation. Preferably even before, in case of bugs. Otherwise the changes should be delayed until it is.

    Call me a cynic, but I don't trust the Government or HSE to deliver this efficiently.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There is - you just need to get a special QR code tattooed on your forehead.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I'm signed up as an organ donor and would have no issue with organs/parts being retained for research if needed.

    I know some people are very uncomfortable with the idea though, for reasons they can't really explain. Some people are comfortable with the idea, but not their eyes.

    The legislation needs to allow everyone to make their wishes clear, and they should be respected. This is important for those who know their life is drawing to a close, and for grieving families.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    For the record, parts of the eyes cannot be donated in Ireland. The only organs that can be donated here are :

    • Heart
    • Lungs
    • Liver
    • Pancreas
    • Kidneys


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,581 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    The ability to opt out of the register register your decision to opt out (Christ that is genuinely confusing!) will be online on the HSE website, going live with the commencement of that part of the Act -

    A new law called the Human Tissue Act 2024 will be in place soon. It will introduce an opt-out system of consent for organ donation from 17 June 2025.

    This means you can add your name to an opt-out register if you do not want to be an organ donor. If you are on the opt-out register, your next of kin will not be asked about organ donation.

    The opt-out register is not in place yet. We will update this page with information on the opt-out register when it's available in June.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/organ-donation/

    It’s sounds trivial, but even I’m struggling with the concept that Government have upended the ideas of donation and consent - both of which mean something which is given freely and without coercion, not something which another entity assumes ownership over because it serves their interests. I’m struggling to imagine how organ donation can be portrayed in a positive light when legislation prescribes that by default, it isn’t a choice. I don’t know that many people actually have thought about it until they’re faced with the prospect of being forced to think about it and give it serious consideration. Registration to have to say no is a hell of a way to start a conversation that in my experience people are generally very uncomfortable having and would rather not have if they didn’t have to.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    look, if they want to use my dead body to help a plastic surgeon perform emergency rhinoplasty on someone, it's no skin off my nose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    In my case, I have had the conversations with my family members. They know my wishes and I know theirs, and we will act accordingly. Some are yes, some are no to organ donation, some have medical conditions which preclude them.

    I will be ensuring all in my immediate family are fully aware of the opt-out register the second it is online.

    For the record, I am not against organ donation. I am against assumed consent to organ donation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    Maybe it's important to be pushed to have the conversation, if only with yourself? Too many people don't make a will for example and leave a massive mess to their families (assuming they have one).

    I'm not personally uncomfortable with the list of organs (above) that can be donated in Ireland.

    I'd be quite uncomfortable if that got quietly extended. I saw a list of "opt in" tissues in the UK that include reproductive organs for example. No, I'm not sure why they mention those but it's weird that they do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,581 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Genuinely I’m just disappointed by the idea that this issue will become yet another political football, hot-button topic in the culture wars crap that takes all the good out of the idea of organ donation and transplants.

    I’ve had the conversation with some people, mixed views, I know people who have benefited from transplants (I’m being purposely vague to protect identities), but even your last sentence re ‘for the record’, you shouldn’t have to state that in my view, it’s none of my business, and stating that you are against the idea of assumed consent I fear will be an open invite for other people to pass judgement. Not giving a fig is an appropriate response, but it’s a matter between the State and the individual - some of whom will not have the capacity to be so forthright as others and may feel pressured into something which they’re uncomfortable with but will do as a result of peer pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    They can have my penis. It would be a huge waste otherwise.

    Leave my eyes, ears and tongue. Take the rest and feed it to the gulls for all I care. I'll have my consciousness uploaded to a robot anyway.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I only stated "for the record" for the purposes of Boards, as I previously name-called and insulted on another thread for not being 100% on board with the opt-in system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,856 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Don't know if you meant it or not but well done on the creepy Event Horizon quote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,856 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Much better would be to give the racist, homophobic little shts all the info before hand.

    As in "yes we have a liver for you but it's the liver of a black drag queen and if you don't want it then fuk off and die"

    Or just tell them after for the shts and giggles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Raichų


    I see what you did there.. I’ll need a lung transplant after that one 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Raichų


    oh no sorry now but if someone’s on deaths door and they won’t allow a transplant because it came from a black, gay, Muslim or whatever then you actually deserve to die.

    There’s no two ways about it.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    A cynic? No. Realistic expectation of ineptitude - fair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,247 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Is this the first time you've heard of this? It's been mooted for years and a great idea in my opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,820 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Some country… “ we are going to have your organs unless you specifically make an effort to prevent us from doing so by completing some legal paperwork in time before your demise.. ”

    Why would we be surprised of course when we have politicians advocating stuff like bedroom taxes and various other property downsizing ‘incentives’ …actively trying to force people out of what is theirs , what they have and own…Was a time just taxing people on earnings was enough but now they are after your property, savings, and your organs.

    Only good news is they haven’t much else to be going after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Raichų




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,247 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ok, I would have thought it was well known before this.

    I believe a number of large charities and medical organisations have been advocating it for the past decade or so and have definitely seen it in the media over the past number of years.

    As I said, I think it's a great thing. And if someone feels strongly enough about not doing it, it's a a fairly simple way to opt out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Next they should implement an “eye for an eye” law. If you’re not willing to donate, then you don’t get to benefit from someone else’s organs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 719 ✭✭✭maik3n


    It may have been touched on already but I guess from a cold/clinical and perhaps libertarian POV, one could argue that an opt out scheme kind of feels like the Government own you/your body from cradle to grave, which isn't a nice thought.

    However, I think the bigger issue for a lot of people over the years was that signing up for organ donation makes one think of our mortality.

    I do ultimately think that this opt out scheme is the better option though.
    I've lost count of the number of times that friends/family has said, I must sign up for organ donation but they never actually get around to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,102 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Then you could potentially start going down the route of trampling the values behind individual autonomy - probably all the way to having discussions over maybe who should have organ donations to begin with. Sounds far-fetched, but humanity has found ways of mitigating ethical concerns since time immemorial.

    Some would argue, you've already taken a step down that path with such an act already potentially infringing on the inherent individual autonomy of your singular core being solely by virtue of inaction. My body/not yours etc

    Just don't think it's as black and white as some others if I'm honest, yet I do see the pros of such a system capturing what would have been missed opportunities for donation. Just a matter of weighing up whether those pros outweigh those cons and that is an individual's concerns, never the ruling concern's - which only reverts back to the current system we have in place for organ donations.

    FWIW, I've no real issue with organ donation - carried cards in the past most my adult life, and they will probably remain - but I'm not really onboard with decisions like this from a purely ethical perspective.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Is this the same piece of legislation? The one referenced in this article was passed nearly two and a half years ago.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/health/your-wellness/2022/12/13/orla-tinsley-i-am-grateful-opt-out-is-finally-happening-but-deeply-concerned-about-the-education-around-it/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,533 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    As of 2007, at least ten countries in Europe had opt out systems. The UK also adopted it since this article was written.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-organ-donation-regulations-in-some-major-countries-idUSL31331847/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    If the government is that all powerful then doesn’t it have the same ability to take your organs if you haven’t consented in the current system?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I would actually love if they could just transplant a new brain into my body after I pass, if I died from brain injury.



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