Organ Donation becomes Opt Out from June

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495788#Comment_123495788

The popes and royalty might disagree, they try and preserve the body in the coffin with lead lining etc, maybe they know something we should. You don’t see them offering up their bodies for science.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495930#Comment_123495930

Why would they? Both are the embodiment of offices rooted in mysticism and divinity.

Even if they did, how much use are organs from septuagenarians and octagenarians going to be?

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495930#Comment_123495930

Pure vanity completely at odds with their professed philosophical position and completely irrational.

In your scenario is someone who suffers physically during life, eg. paralysed or lose their limbs, destined to go on for an eternity of suffering? That does not seem to be the message of religion.

In reality its those unable to comprehend the true meaning of their professed belief. They fear death so much that they cling to the body as an anchor as if the continued existence of the body implies they are not really dead.

For the philosophically secure, whether religious or not, the state of a body after death is immaterial to them. The religious version of eternity is not tethered to our corporeal reality. And in the atheist version, Life itself is the only eternity that a person can experience from the dawn of individual consciousness to its extinction is experienced by the individual as "eternity"

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123496446#Comment_123496446

Pure vanity completely at odds with their professed philosophical position and completely irrational.

Ohhh, not quite -

Upon death, the Vatican assumes ownership of the deceased pontiff’s body and it belongs to the entire Church; law dictates a pope must be buried intact.

Polish Archbishop Zygmunt Zimowski, President of the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Health Care Workers at the time, said another issue was posed if the pope donates an organ upon death, and ends up being made a saint. The living person would effectively have a relic inside them.

Did You Know? The Reason Why the Pope Can't Be an Organ Donor | uCatholic

Like one of them Russian dolls - a relic within a relic… 🤔

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123496853#Comment_123496853

Institutionalised vanity

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123496935#Comment_123496935

It's not motivated by vanity at all though (can't speak for royalty, but King Charles did at one point express a desire to be reincarnated, not sure if that's an official position of the Church of England). The body of the Pope after death belongs to the Church, and the Church's philosophical position on organ donation is quite clear - explicit consent is required for organ donation:

2296 Organ transplants are in conformity with the moral law if the physical and psychological dangers and risks incurred by the donor are proportionate to the good sought for the recipient. Donation of organs after death is a noble and meritorious act and is to be encouraged as a manifestation of generous solidarity. It is not morally acceptable if the donor or those who legitimately speak for him have not given their explicit consent.

The new legislation ignores this edict in favour of deemed consent. That, on the part of the State, is far closer to the meaning of institutionalised vanity than what you're aiming for.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123495930#Comment_123495930

And I'm inclined to not make decisions based on hypothetical potential knowledge that the borgias and co might have.

mrslancaster

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mrslancaster

Some posts said that family or next-of-kin (designated person) can make the consent decisions, that’s not exactly what this webpage says. It looks like consent is assumed for 5 organs and family consent is for anything else.

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-health/campaigns/the-human-tissue-transplantation-post-mortem-anatomical-examination-and-public-display-act-2024/

“.…If you are 18 or over, you will be considered to have agreed to be an organ donor when you die, unless you opt out or are in one of the excluded groups.

This change only applies to organs referred to as relevant organs under the legislation. There are five relevant organs: liver, lung, pancreas, heart or kidney.

For all other organs, tissues, or cells, consent will be sought from your family member – as was previously the case.

Consent is at the heart of this change. It will still be your choice whether you want to be an organ donor.

If you want to be an organ donor, you do not need to take any action.

Consent for organ donation will be presumed unless you have registered your wish not to be an organ donor.

If you do not want to be an organ donor, you can apply to the Relevant Organ Donation Opt-Out Register maintained by the HSE. If you are on this Register, your family will not be asked about organ donation….”

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123502439#Comment_123502439

You can check the legislation and even the article you cited makes clear that family will be consulted before any organ is donated. On top of that, they specify you should make your wishes clear with your family so they'll know when consulted. Fyi, this is effectively the same legislation that's in the UK.

TokTik

Will the site be opened to opt out this day next week??

PixelCrafter

Well the royals couldn't possibly have peasants showing up with royal components installed — they might have a claim to the throne! It took centuries of backstabbing, beheadings, strategic warfare and marrying one's cousins to get to where they are today!

Royalty and Popes are somewhat outliers when it comes to organ donation though.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123440779#Comment_123440779

There's already a financial incentive to donate one's body to a medical school. We all pay for that.

Terrier2023

i always had an organ donation card but no longer this annoys me. The forced organ donation is manipulative, a family gives a gift of a persons organs and it is a painful decision the state dictating that you are now an organ donor makes me think of them setting up a minister for organs and then selling the over supply for money. No ill be opting out & for 40 years i had a donor card in my car. Stupid move on the governments part.

Terrier2023

it will crash in the first hour as Irish people dont like to be dictated to !

nachouser

There were less than 300 organ transplants in Ireland last year. It's not like everyone who dies from now on will have their kidney, liver, heart or whatever removed and stored in the hospital freezer box with an expiration date, along with some surgeons frozen chicken fillets that they plan on using later for dinner.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123535329#Comment_123535329

Your donor card was a meaningless card, no legal weight and donation required consent of your family.

If your family didn't wish to proceed with donating your organs, no donation occured despite carrying a donor card.

Under the new system, if your family doesn't wish to donate your organs?

They still aren't donated. Whilst the legislation has moved to a position of implied consent on the part of donors, it still requires an act of active consent from a family member. Indeed if there is noone to assume the role of the designated person, there is no one to consent and hence no donation.

No active consent, no donation.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123535329#Comment_123535329

I'd say a huge misrepresentation of its entire purpose.

BaywatchHQ

I opted out of the Northern Ireland register 2 years ago. I am sure people hate you for it but the way I see it is that women who have abortions aren't judged and are praised for taking control of the situation so I shouldn't be judged for deciding what to do with my body. "My body my choice" as they say.

Also if you decompose you do continue life just not human life. The energy from your body would go back to other life forms like insects and micro bacteria. I've been bullied my whole life by humans so I think I would rather let the worms take me.

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astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123535329#Comment_123535329

I doubt someone of your beliefs would ever have had an organ donation card, it stretches credulity.

mrslancaster

Almost 40k people opted out in the first 10 days after the legislation commenced on 17th June but tbf, that’s only a tiny percentage of the adult population so it looks like the change will be welcomed by most people.
I was surprised that several colleagues and people I know weren’t aware of the new law even though it had been advertised for weeks beforehand.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/people-opting-out-of-organ-donation-at-rate-of-155-every-hour-since-new-legislation-1779701.html