Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Well, you got it kinda wrong. Boom in economic terms is as good as it gets.

You state that Google, Apple and others don't have a sustainable model in Ireland and give vague reasons. Please elaborate cos they'll want to know what they're doing wrong.

NCT management want to get on the immigration industry train

Imagine flying out to Manila and picking them off the streets and bringing them back to work in the NCT

This has to be one of the worse cases i've ever seen in the immigration industry

So so corrupt

"Imagine flying out to Manila and picking them off the streets"

I'm sure you can provide evidence that this is what is happening.

Manila must be some place when trained mechanics are lying on the street waiting to be picked up and transported halfway across the world. Do we pick up doctors and nurses off the same streets?

yes, im aware it can take many years, hence why i encourage immigration towards this problem, i.e. it skips over the early years of childhood and teenage welfare needs, i.e. education, health care etc etc, and goes straight to adults almost ready for these sectors, noting construction requires a significant amount of supports from adjacent sectors to occur, including logistics etc, i.e. not all are required to work directly in construction in order for it to occur.

we clearly have a severe shortage to construction workers, i.e. we have to bite the bullet here either way, in order to get building, so its either encourage immigrants into these sectors, or embrace this problem into the future, i.e. into the 30's, and possible beyond, so what do you want?

again, forcing immigrants out wont resolve the problem, as the problem is far deeper than demand, its primarily a supply problem, not a demand problem, yes reducing demand reduces the pressure, but it does not resolve the supply problem, as its a 'supply' problem

But where in my original post did I say force immigrants out.

I want long term wasters from the EU out and a reduction of all the people getting here to deliver fast food and pay little or no tax.

That will free up housing for retaining young tradesmen.

It we would hopefully convince many working abroad to come home.

It will free up housing to attract skilled people from the EU.

A much better plan than training immigrants to be tradesmen, what exactly is stopping them from doing that now?

To be honest I'm unsure what you're talking about. You want only Irish hired for these IT companies but are not clarifying how you would do that nor why it's required. And the best of lucking explaining why companies like Google, Apple and others have unsustainable economic models.

some elements of taxation are actually occurring in such transactions, including the businesses they are working for and the consumers that are consuming.

and again, reducing the demand on housing wont solve our housing problems, as its primarily a supply problem, we potentially need 300,000+ properties now, i.e. we would probably need to get rid of the bones of a million immigrants in order to free up sufficient properties to resolve our housing issues, noting, many of which are already working, some in critical sectors such as health care, i.e. get rid of them, and increase our health care sector problems!

again, even trying to encourage people home, also wont resolve the problem, noting, they probably wont come home without housing guarantees already being in place, i.e. you d have to guarantee them a home!

theres little or no polices currently in place to effectively encourage, possible even force immigrants into construction and construction related sectors, we would, and could easily do this, as others countries have been doing for many years, australia etc. i.e. if you want a visa, heres the options, or theres the door, this could be and should be done!

Capaill, you said

"The wages thing is a complete lie." Perhaps you may want to have a word with the Central Bank?

Now would putting out such a statement that is directly contradicted by official bodies, be classed as misinformation or disinformation? /s

Here is a quick answer.

There are 30,000+ construction workers on the Live Register.

Getting them back into work doesn't require immigration.

Second, increasing the number of training places for nurses and doctors would allow more Irish to become doctors, and so would reduce the dependence on foreign doctors/nurses.

Third, I support some skilled immigration, but we don't need immigrants to be bicycle delivery staff.

PSC public services card.. with FT on it!

Every 2nd person on public transport has this now.