Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Here's a video from Gript interviewing some of the locals

Stand out one is the Irish school, that is bloody ridiculous. Just makes you so angry

Fair play to Gript once again

So an increase in migrants has lowered the crime rate. Isn’t that interesting?

Can I ask did you produce that image yourself if not can you provide the source? I had a quick look and that "red spot" is 76 EU citizens.

https://visual.cso.ie/?body=entity/censusurbanprofiles

The only other place I could see people making a similar point using this kind of image was reposted by the far right Twitter accounts.

Looks very similar to the line you are spinning here.

The main reason a few local people might not feel safe in their town might have more to do with the stuff they are being fed online.

What about chartering a ferry to remove AS? Much larger capacity than an aircraft.

I am thinking specifically about bogus Albanian AS, as there are ports.

Could fit 1,000+ on one trip.

Could drop off some Algerians on the way.

The laws are on the books that if they can’t support themselves within 3 months they can be returned to whatever EU country they came from but no country enforces it.

One thing I don't get is how do we keep expanding the economy without immigration? If Google or someone wanted to open a new huge section of their organisation the reality is with IT iit's so specialised now and ireland aren't producing the required graduates. Most applications would come from India. Then the cleaners required would be foreign too because irish people don't do those jobs. The canteens would be foreign staffed etc etc.

Do we just stop allowing the economy to grow? A new restaurant would have non EU kitchen staff. EU folks don't want to come and work sh*tty kitchen jobs in Dublin where it's impossible to live but those from less well off countries would.

It's the same in many countries. I'm in Spain till August and the staff in hospitality in this part are almost all Colombian as it's a wealthy region and spainiards probably have much better options.

At the end of the day humans go where money and opportunity is and we have that in Ireland now.

What's the alternative to the continual growth model?

And I don't for a second believe we could fill all the meat packing and cleaning jobs with Irish or even EU people if we hiked up wages. Hiking up these wages would mean we're less attractive to foreign business too.

Quite the pickle and it's happening in other rich countries too.

That's what the twitter patriots seem to want. Ironically it would lead to droves of Irish people leaving the country.

I think the growth at all cost model is the end of the planet and humanity, but does anyone have an alternative?

Maybe some system where every country produces their own stuff and we all get paid the same wages without the need for immigration? Isn't that the USSR though?

USA seem to want to do this now but they're not going to be taxing the rich any more to pay for social services so their quality of life will decrease.

We need a new blueprint for humanity.

One more thing. With hospitals. It's not just population growth why we need so many foreign hospital staff. It's because as countries get wealthier people get checked up on far more and are offered far more health services so you need imported staff to cater for that. We keep people alive way longer than we should a lot of the time. We don't care for our elderly we outsource it to care homes that require foreign staff. We used to look after granny and grandad but not so much any more, that's done by foreigners on low wages that Irish people wouldn't work for.

My partner is a hospital consultant and has written about this. 50 years ago people weren't treated anywhere near as much or kept alive as much. Now we have money and our expectations with health are totally different. There are so many people being treated that really should be left to die. This level is impossible to fulfill without lots of imported staff.

It's not just down to population growth it's the new demand for services and longer lives

Without private healthcare most people struggle to get a GP these days. Our A&Es are field hospitals.

Avoid the A&E unless you come by ambulance. Also find €100 somehow to pay the a&E charge ( I've been that soldier)

I’m sure you can provide evidence for your claim that over 50% of the population struggle to get a GP.

I've never had PH but i have the same GP as i had in the 1980s. Reality though is that we are healthier and living longer than ever in Ireland and there will never be enough services to cater for the demand of a health aware rich society. Even Australia have big problems with medicare and they are supposed to be the healthcare utopia.

Try changing GP.

Without PH my GP would not have taken me on. It was the first thing the receptionist stated when I rang up to enquire.

Why?

No evidence , only anecdotal. Perhaps you should withdraw your statement as it clearly isn’t factual.