Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

No idea. I have PH so never asked any further on their reasons.

But the current model is not sustainable.

Think of any Business running an unsustainable growth model.

It would eventually go boom. The country is no different imo.

…or maybe we should be encouraging immigrants towards critical sectors such as construction and health care, educating and training them to do so, this would help us to deal with our aging demographics problem, and of course with other critical issues such as housing etc, noting the only way to truly deal with our demographics problem, is to keep delaying retirement age, and keep increasing working hours, which im sure you dont want to happen to you!

Strange. It makes no difference to a GP.

Maybe you misunderstood and they don't take on people with medical cards, only private paying patients.

virtually nothing to do with our housing issues, the whole process has collapsed, the move towards privatising the whole process has been a monumental failure, and its not just an irish problem, and immigrants can be a major part of resolving it, as we simply dont have the workers to significantly increase supply. its simply not possible to encourage workers whos careers are already in play to move towards construction and construction supportive roles, our education and training systems also need to be radically changed, to encourage young people into these sectors, this clearly isnt happening at a rate to fulfill whats required, so this again means immigrants are a part of our housing solutions, but its not gonna happen, we re gonna implement stricter immigration rules, so our housing issues are gonna exist into and throughout the 30's, it ll be interesting to see who we blame then, when virtually nothing changes in regards our chronic and worsening supply problems

I never said any of these things are a good thing, i pointed out facts of the current system. Wow, just wow!

I shared a room with 3 other people in Melbourne for 6 months. It's often part of the disposable low wages immigrant experience, that's the reality.

There are nearly 600,000 Colombians in Spain, making them 1.15% of the population there by the way.

Your experience was that you got a GP. Your statement was that the majority of the population could not get a GP. Your anecdote is not making sense.

Yeah that's how it works at the moment. I worked in kitchens in the late 90s, people came and went, very hard to keep staff as it's a demanding low paid job. Even harder now with all the opportunities in Ireland.

You sound angry, chill out.

The GP in question thinks it makes sense.

Angry? I'm not a bit angry.

This isn't the 90's any longer. The country is richer than it ever was, that should be reflected in the standard of living and the standard of public services that we get. It isn't and it's not being helped by public finances having to support those who can't get out of a poverty trap. If businesses can't survive if they pay a decent wage and not having their staff on state supports then they shouldn't exist.

Let's have more sustainable businesses and less of this unsustainable infinite flow of people into the country who need the state to get by.

Very good question by a previous poster ... 'how do we get Irish to take up jobs such as meat packing, cleaning, etc..'

Answer: reduce unemployment benefits.

No other country hands out such a high percentage of the minimum wage.

Yes it isnt the 90s any longer so irish people dont want to work in kitchens or as cleaners as they have more opportunities than ever.

You're going to say of course they would if they paid better but that isn't true in the real world. Our kids are highly educated these days. Does that mean the businesses shouldn't open? No, not currently, staff can be imported and it won't be changing any time soon.

This system is unsustainable but its what we're doing now. One of you need to come up with some kind of more equal type of Marxist manifesto. Although there's already one there if we want to use that.

maybe we should also remove state supports for mnc's, such as increasing corporate tax rates to match other sme sectors?

capitalism only remains to exist when there is an element of state protectionism and supports, this is the case the world over, even in countries that encourage the more extreme forms of free market capitalism, such as the states, i.e. its a pipe dream to think many businesses can exist without some sort of state assistance and supports

increasing benefits generally not only improves the lives of welfare recipients, but also increases economic activities therefore increases jobs being created as most money received by most welfare recipients, is generally spent almost immediately into the economy, this was effectively confirmed during covid with the increase in covid payments

and again, due to our aging demographics, immigration is one of the solutions to this problem, we re simply dont have enough people to maintain our economic momentum to do so, i.e. if we dont increase our population, we ll experience chronic social and economic problems in the near future including chronic elder care issues and economic stagnation, the only way to counteract these issues is to keep extending retirement ages, i.e. do you want to be forced to work well into your 70's?