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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Andrew Smith has signed a 1 year deal with Munster for next season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Yeah I certainly don't think this was in either the branches plan or Carty's and considering the poor man management around the squad Carty had probably checked out. With JJ and Ioane ahead of him he was surplus to the coaches needs until injury to Ioane, JJ gone to Munster and Wilkins himself surplus and no 10 anywhere in sight.

    Looks like Ioane, Naughton and Carty next season. Without Jack it would be pretty bare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Best of luck to him, he's got a bit of something but wasn't getting a look in for us this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Here is just a possible Swap…

    Way it looks Devine and Murphy are better off in two separate outfits, if manage to keep them this year and Ulster look like they are sniffing for Devine, it would probably happen anyway.

    Ben Murphy looks like the next JGP (Gibson Park), Leinster are using McGrath as sub in major games…

    So how about swapping Ben Murphy for Fintan GUNNE, Alan SPICER (Big Lock) and Henry MCERLEAN.

    Connacht need a replacement for Murphy if he left and that would be Fintan Gunne.

    Alan Spicer is huge, 20 years old bit of a risk but could work out (Conor O'TIGHEARNAIGH or Alex SOROKA is another possibility)

    Henry MCERLEAN, we need a full back… Very impressive at U20 and could be a diamond. (Aitzol KING is another possiblity)

    I know it is expensive, Ben Murphy is very very good… But we have devine and with Gunne in it could work out for us better to have 3 high prospects…

    What do you think… Concept is to offer something they could really want and see what we could get in return…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭AccidentallyOnside


    The thing is Irish rugby doesn't really do "swaps", generally the big 2/3 just generally take the players they fancy, the players that go the other way aren't really swaps.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Spicer is the most anticipated player to come from schools rugby in a decade. There is zero chance of him being transferred anywhere. Gunne is seen as the next real prospect at 9, they will keep him. McErlean is a good player and it would make sense for us to pursue him, Aitzol King will probably be released but I don't see why we would need him.

    Anyway, as @AccidentallyOnside wrote, Irish rugby doesn't do swaps. What we need more than anything is an outhalf, but what we've learned, i think, is that the opportunities we can offer do not currently outweigh the setup's perceived dysfunctionality. Otherwise one of the Leinster 10s would have agreed to move. I think it's understandable - we're a mess - even though Leinster have made a hames of their 10 succession process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 dee_kay


    Aside from not being able to buy multiple tickets, a screw-up that I've been a victim of on other occasions, the block numbering changed during yesterday so it was probably wrong at 11:00 when the process opened for business and was noticed and "corrected" at some stage. The top image is how it looked last night, the bottom image is how it looked yesterday morning. The block numbering, e.g. 103-203, is completely flipped.

    Ticket Blocks Final Ticket Blocks Initial


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Blade, Murphy and Devine are all in contract as far as I am aware. I expect all 3 to be with us next season.

    We are short in the back 3, Aitzol would be a good signing based on how he went against us in the last match but I suppose a lot depends on how we view the guys in our academy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭RonnieL


    Yes, that's what I was alluding to in my post with the 104/106 confusion. An utter omni-shambles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    O'Connor has been re-signed for next season. Really reaching for the stars now.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Piers or David? Personally I'd be happy enough to hang on to Piers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,000 ✭✭✭b.gud




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭testtech05


    That's a surprise, he has hardly appeared all season last one I remember was as part of a 6-2 split on the bench and came on for about 5 mins at the end.

    If that is the height of our signings for next season things are really looking tight.

    Who else is left of the regular selections who is out of contract this season? Corder, Joyce and Piers O'Connor are 3 I think I have heard about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    I will agree with yourself and Shiney, swaps are not the IRFU thing (seems we take now and be happy)…

    Our coaching ticket has been the main place of concern in attracting talent and more important keeping them… Andrew Smith leaving is no surprise, Tom Farrell, Diarmuid KILGALLEN… We are the Munster backline development squad…

    The reason Leinster would be interested is because they have been searching for a scrum half for 9 years… Becasue the way their club is set up they fail to give the quality time to young SH.. Gunne has had 350 poor quality minutes this year while Luke McGrath has had 700 far higher quality minutes… Gunne is being just asked to bookend games won before he brought on or play in third string SA games… It is in Leinster's interest to send him to Connacht even without a right of first refusal in 2 years time.

    I think they would want first refusal on Spicer in 3 years. Let Connacht have him and plough the minutes into him (in season one) and they would hope to get back an almost finished article… This deal would be a winner for IRFU… Connacht would have the player for three years and if worked out, a path for more promising talent in Leinster to leverage.

    Henry is hitting a dead wall in the Leinster system… It is all internationals in front of him… He need to gain his 1000 min (the initial minutes to get you to speed as professional rugby player). Connacht have the gap and minutes available if he can show a reasonable level of form. With a proper coach, he could explode from here… Look at Hanson, Bolton,…

    Totally agree on the the cynical nature of internal swaps and contracting in Ireland… There seems to be very little give and take, just take and let the other side b*tch….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Completing the new stadium is great. But the on pitch product is equally as important and that seems to have been lost amongst those running the show.

    Lurching from one mess to another right now, with seemingly no long term vision. Communication with supporters is horrific.

    When Wilkins was appointed two years ago as a fait accompli (interviewed a grand total of three apparently and the other two appear to have been to check a box), said on here it looked like a jobs for the boys set up, nothing has changed since.

    On the current path, Connacht's average attendance will end up falling to 3-4000 when a set up with vision and ambition could get it close to five figures. If the IRFU had any concern for provincial well being, Willie Ruane would get the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Agree with you… IRFU for ourselves seemed to have created an idea which might have seemed great on paper but a disaster in reality… They thought they were putting all the new coaching talent under one roof and it failed bad, very bad… They seemd to have doubled down on the idea in Ulster as well… Murphy is better and is clearing house quicker and resetting in a team on the fly, but it is costing Ulster this season…

    I don't think the IRFU know that:

    A coaching set up is as good as its weakest link and if you bring in inexperienced or unexposed coaches you are drastically increasing that risk… This hole is then left to guys learning their trade to cover up… So in Connacht set up defence started to fall a part last season…Wilkins then tried to double job and effectively did neither.

    Giving long term contracts to unproven coaches is very constraining… Wilkins three year contract was madness, he was totally unproven at the level… I don't even think he like the role and preferred the more hands on approach…

    Also, leaving a young set up on there own with no Director of Rugby (even part time) to help and support is quite cruel… I say Pete had issues where he would have loved to have a Declan Kidney or someone to talk to about for the last two years…

    So going forward:

    Connacht just need to go back to basics an build a new team of coaches with known pedigree but have eye to develop with the game… Mark Sexton has left a good attack and the line out is the best in the league.

    Defence is 3rd worst, Kicking is worst, Scrum is the worst in the league.. So that is area of improvement.

    On a sidenote on kicking… I don't see why we are persisting with Ione for penalties… It is a learnt skill, with the background in GAA (which develops timing and strength) and time practicing, a number of players should be quite competent kickers… Make Jack Carty the kicking coach while we are at it, he couldn't do worse…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Buckley*, Dooley*, Lasisi**, Joyce***, Oliver, M Devine**, Reilly, Gavin**, O'Conor**, Cordero

    *contract expires 2025 but contains option for an additional year

    **signed contract of unannounced length in 2024

    ***signed contract of unannounced length in 2023

    I assume both Buckley and Dooley's options will be exercised. Hard to know re. the guys who signed last year, but there's been rumours about Devine and O'Conor. I imagine Lasisi is on a 1 year deal. Joyce maybe signed for 3 years initially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    Mullins signed a new deal back in March

    https://www.instagram.com/p/DHViizNPI_3/



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    I don't get why our back 3 often look like they've never played on our 4G pitch when they struggle under high balls or weird bounces. If I was in charge of skills, I'd be making it rain down so much heavy artillery on those lads in whatever weather, they'd think they'd wandered into the Battle of the Somme.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    I wonder how long that contract is for. It confuses me a bit, Andrew Smith showed a much broader range of skills than Chay yet management had no enthusiasm for him this season.

    I have nothing against Mullins but haven't seen him do anything but walk in tries that required a minimum of finishing. Meanwhile I recall one game where Smith won 3/4 turnovers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Yep… it should be bread and butter for these guys… They should be sick of kicking the ball back and forth (I have for got the training game for it..)…

    BTW, I think Fardy was made the skills coach earlier this year…

    Every back (and odd forward) should know how to kick a ball on that surface and know how it reacts in the wind…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Smith has a far more expansive skill set… But in the Wilkson era his face didn't fit… This was highly frustrating and some players have said privately that there was little to no communication why…

    There are player pissed about this and felt demeaned by the experience… There is a professional courtesy to tell a player why he is not picked and what he can improve so he could get picked.

    Sorry, that is not good enough…. The player can disagree but at least they can be transparent and honest…. This is the bit I feel for the players, they deserve a hell of a lot more respect than that…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    My sentiment exactly, not that you wish for my support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭ElisaAtWar


    signing up Jack for another year says it all really for our aspirations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Considering half the time we're arguing that we're wasting the potential of possibly our best team ever, resigning Jack and DOC means very little without the coaching ticket in place.

    We saw what Pat Lam was able to do with potentially inferior players. Getting the right coaches in is more important, in my eyes at least, than the right players.

    It still baffles me, that we never tried getting in new skills coaches after the success of 2016



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Bundee and Mack both in the Lions squad

    Savage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭EachSmallChime


    Apparently, both players will receive between £80,000 and £100,000 to tour, and Connacht Rugby will receive the same amount for each. https://www.thetimes.com/article/25a86614-b924-47b6-81da-7b61170e1a24



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Great for the 2 lads, Finlay probably a bit unlucky to miss out too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    Id Imagine he is an injury away from making the plane. Great news on Bundee and Mack



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