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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Will go down as an all time stinker of a selection. Rolling out Cian Healys rotting corpse in place of a guy who was MOTM the week before and put his all into it is everything wrong with our selection policy the last couple of years.

    Clarkson should have been ahead of Ala'alatoa last year aswell, the latter was scrummaging below an AIL level at the end of last year, every scrum a collapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I'd say a good thing he had a 5m start on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,593 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You have this very wrong. Playing different because it's a semi-final is a huge mistake. You play exactly as you did in the first game of the season, so long as you did well in that game. You may make tweaks throughout the season which is normal.

    If you start telling them that you are going to play differently there's two issues arising. First is you will confuse them and they might not perform to their usual standard. Second is you are telling them this game is far bigger than any game before and that's putting pressure on their shoulders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    No it’s not, a league game at the start of the season is very very different. Cup rugby is 3-6-9 all day long, there is a margin for error in your first game of the season, a LBP to be had maybe.

    Cup rugby is win or bust, and win by any means necessary - the perfect example Munster taking a DG to put their lead beyond 7 against LaR in the round of 16.

    A decision to go for the corner is made IF your sure of winning ball from the lineout and IF your maul is going well. While the lineout was winning the majority of its ball the maul wasn’t in anyway dominating.

    In Leinster’s case the call for a lineout wasn’t even right as they would have more advantage taking the scrum. That wasn’t even considered for a second.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    What you say about Ala'alatoa is the opposite of reality. He was very impressive in the scrum near the end of last season. He was dominant versus Ulster and in the European Final against Toulouse.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Snyman did most of the work

    It's not "best individual try". Some of these award involve the last player flopping over from 1 metre.

    The young player of the year is insanely obviously warranted.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That kind of across the board sloppiness, lethargy and frankly capitulation ultimately comes down to the coaches and the environment and preparation for the match. If one player underperforms it is one thing, but when it is so systemic (and when the one exception is the player who has played the fewest "serious" matches of anyone) then it points to the issue being top down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    True but unfortunately this just seems to be the culture we have in Irish rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It was a second row who had his run checked by the full back and Prendergast didn't pull away from him.

    What's going on here? The young player of the year is fine, but that try award I'd just weird. Are they so afraid of hurting his feelings?

    He needs tackle school or a session with Will Connors on tackle technique. Even if he's never going to be the bravest tackler, he can get the technique right. There are times a 10 can rely on others to tackle but he has to be able to tackle competently when needed. Throwing awards at him isn't going to fix the problems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Ford and M.Smith are not ahead, don’t be daft now 😂


    Of course Crowley didn’t get a look in, you have to be a Premiership 10/former premiership 10 to be in consideration for the Lions in the media’s eyes.


    On a side note, when did this nonsense about Ford being a potential Lion start? Just stop it, it’s getting embarrassing now!

    It’ll be Russell,Smith and Prendergast quite clearly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    He’s a spoofer just like the rest of his mates on ITV,TNT Sport etc.

    He doesn’t even know how the head contact rules work.


    He was the clown that started the argument of Ford being a potential Lion, should show you his level of credibility in a nut shell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Ringrose is 30…no he is still exactly what he was…it seems to a lot of focus on player X,Y and Z being “not what they were”…maybe, just maybe, the coaching has been the issue…that’s ALOT of players being off, too many even.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭OldRio


    As mentioned above it's not an individual award. It's for the try, not the player who scored it.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I don't think that it's the worst try ever, or that it's completely without merit, but yeah, I do feel that we've scored better team tries this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Dude, you were saying the exact same about people who suggested Fin Smith and Pollock as Lions bolters about 6 months ago…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yes, I agree.

    Like, people are flipping out about Porter and Barrett being benched. I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the replay yet but from watching it live, was Barrett any better than Henshaw when he came on? I didn't think so. It was 22-27 with 30 minutes to go when Barrett arrived. There was plenty of time for Barrett to make an impact, grab the game by the neck etc but did he? Not really IMO.

    Likewise, Porter came on at 20 minutes, shortly thereafter we took the lead and then they had a guy binned. It was set up perfectly for us to turn the screw but we couldn't make it count. Why do we think it would have been better if he had started?

    There's always an assumption when a teams does XYZ and loses, that they lost because they did XYZ. I think the issue is a lot more complex than that. I think we lost because lots of guys underperformed and the team activated headless chicken mode with apparently no way to settle themselves, no plan B, and apparently very little communication between the sideline and the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    I don’t see why you have to be so dogmatic about your views. You may be right from time to time but calling BOD anything derisory as it relates to rugby makes you look foolish at best. The 10 debate was not about the starter which is clearly between the 2 Finns. It was the 3rd choice who will go but likely not feature in key games except for injury to those ranking ahead. And your point about Premiership 10 is incorrect. Chill it’s just fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    1000% agree with this. Too easy to scapegoat coaches and selection. Simple fact is some key players didn’t perform. Those with the jersey carry the burden of triumph & disaster. The latter on this occasion sadly. Northampton were way better and had the game of their lives. We were mentally unprepared but that is a players responsibility to get into the zone and give it everything for time on the pitch. Other excuses are too convenient & easy. Leo has a European cup and knows what it takes on the pitch to win one. Same for Jacques in RWC. Some of our guys were poor, defensive was amateur at best



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    When the same issues keep arising year after year, I think it's only fair to start looking at the coaches. You can try and absolve them for the players mental issues. I don't and think that's all linked. But there's no doubt that they were completely outcoached by Northampton's back room staff. Our rush defence was completely nullified through box kicking and shortened passes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    There's always an assumption when a teams does XYZ and loses, that they lost because they did XYZ. I think the issue is a lot more complex than that. I think we lost because lots of guys underperformed and the team activated headless chicken mode with apparently no way to settle themselves, no plan B, and apparently very little communication between the sideline and the pitch.

    That can be the case and it can still have been the wrong call not to start Barrett tho; both things can be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Just to clarify, I'm not absolving the coaches at all - quite the opposite in fact.

    When pretty much every player underperforms and there doesn't seem to be any way to right the ship, it's an organisation-level problem IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Feels like almost every year we lose to a team who makes a specific game plan for us. Northampton, La Rochelle, and the Bulls.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,084 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Barrett was significantly better than Henshaw when he came on. Barrett was one of the very few Leinster players carrying hard and making yards in contact. Not massive yards, but an improvement.

    Henshaw was an empty shirt for his time on the field. He offered nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Leinster confirm that Rory McGuire, Aitzol King and Ben Brownlee are leaving at the end of the season.

    Not sure where they're off to, but I know Brownlee was training down south earlier this season and that McGuire has been linked with Ulster.

    But surprised by King's departure. He has looked handy every time I've seen him. Been more impressed by him than Andrew Osborne anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You could add Saracens at scrum-time too.

    I wonder is part of it a case that teams know Leinster are going to be there at the pointy end of the season so have more time to analyse and prepare a game plan to counter-act them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Yeah I think Brownlee will be going to Munster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Well yeah, that's pretty much what I saw too.

    I would have been hoping for more than "carrying hard" considering how angry people were about his exclusion. A guy of his ability coming on fresh into a game that was still very much there to be won, it wasn't a great contribution and he didn't stand out tbh. I don't think starting him would have made any difference, the problems were bigger than Henshaw.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,084 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think people are angry because Barrett is the best 12 in the world and Leinster selected a guy who has been in relatively indifferent form for about a year over him. Henshaw was an amazing player but he is not an amazing player any more and he had no business starting ahead of Barrett in a game as big as this.

    This is literally the type of game that Leinster signed Barrett for. Why pay all that money and leave him on the bench? It's crazy.

    I think Barrett on from the start would have made a very significant difference. Aside from his good carrying, he came on and I think made 2 choke tackles that led to turnovers?

    The influence of having someone as good as him on the field cannot be understated IMO.

    The only conclusion I can reach is that Cullen thought this game was going to be a lot easier than it was and he was trying to give Henshaw an opportunity ahead of the Lions selection. Because there is absolutely no tactical justification for this pick.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Yes, there were bigger problems, but it still doesn't change the fact that an additional 50 minutes of Barrett could've been the difference in what was a razor thin game.

    Simon Hick on Second Captains made the point that there isn't another pro coach in the world who makes that selection call.



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