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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,224 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Are skorts actually traditional though? How long are they around? I would have assumed they were a modern addition to the sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,373 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes I heard on RTE news they issued a statement saying no change but no actual reason why skorts are so necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,373 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Interesting point.

    Is it the mindset that led to the skort rather than going straight to shorts that is rooted in tradition?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I'd guess that as the skirts (that used to be close to ankle length) got shorter and shorter, and the use of tights/leggings disappeared, the skorts came in.

    You have to wonder who these delegates are and what planet they are living on.

    I expect that after the bad publicity we'll something put in process to allow changes quite quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I wore one in pe/sports through school. It's not that they're uncomfortable, mire a little bit more exposure than shorts so I can see where these ladies are coming from.

    Things change and people have to move with the changes and whoever is making this decision to retain these skorts needs to rethink.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    I think they were a compromise… better than the ankle length traditional skirts!

    1970s I think. My aunts played in the 1960s and they wore tunics like old fashioned school uniforms with a long sleeved blouse underneath. Quite long skirts. My younger aunts played in the 1970s and they wore shorter versions, my granny shortened them. Youngest aunt told us how they had to kneel down to demonstrate that their skirts were knee length. But the coach preferred a more hands on approach to checking length. (Not untypical tale of the era).


    So I’m guessing the skort appeared later in decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,706 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The ref had zero choice, it is a simple rule. There was never any question of them standing firm, they even brought their skorts with them. I wonder did they have a vote among the players. The headlines are calling it a co-ordinated ambush, but there are usually some instigators of these things.

    They will not be flavour of the month with the top brass in Kilkenny and Dublin. Unless they were in on the act as well? And certainly not with the "suits" who will have to face the politicians. There is going to be some ill feeling in Camogie circles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    They should go full on and replace the camán with a baton, the sliotar with pom-poms and bring on the marching bands if they want to keep the skorts. No half measures!

    Or they could change the rule and let the players wear shorts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    are there any other sports left in ireland where there are old fashioned rules like this? if so, i wonder if the controllers of those sports are quietly hoping they don't get noticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    You were doing a good job until you put in photos from GAA Congress rather than Camogie Association Congress.

    Anyway, for the benefit of others who don't understand these things, a brief outline of how it should work:

    1. Motions for Congress are circulated to clubs well in advance of Congress. Clubs should hold a meeting to discuss them and adopt a position.
    2. On a purely player-related issue like this, clubs would be expected to vote in accordance with the wishes of their players. So they'd vote to get rid of skorts, or at least allow the players a choice of what to wear.
    3. Club delegates then go to a County Board meeting where motions for Congress are next considered. There'd be a majority of clubs seeking to change this rule. County Board delegates to Congress would then be mandated to vote at Congress for change.
    4. Majority of County Board delegated voting as mandated should lead to the change being sought.

    So, where did it fall down? Two possibilities:

    1. County Board delegates to Congress didn't vote the way they were supposed to. This would be shameful. Or, probably more likely:
    2. Clubs skipped Step 1 above altogether. Unfortunately, this happens far too often, in GAA as well as Camogie Association & LGFA. Clubs are often inclined not to pay sufficient attention to the "higher-up" things. "Congress? Motions? Boring. Nothing to do with us. What difference what we here think about it? If we have a meeting at all this month, it'll be the usual stuff about fixtures and fundraisers and the like….." And then, if County Board doesn't have a clear direction from its clubs because clubs haven't bothered considering the motions in the first place, it all goes haywire.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭purifol0


    On behalf of the govt I just want to thank you all for incessantly nattering about this superfluous bollocks and not concerning yourselves with housing or mass immigration. Cheers

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'unlike you people, i can only care about one thing at a time, and find difficulty in dealing with the complexity of a society dealing with many strands of issues and challenges; it means if i care about problem A, i do not care about problem B. but that's your fault'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Yeah this subject definitely merits a Dáil debate and 5 phucking pages of posts that repeat the same talking points



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's a 477 page long thread about a sports team winning a sports competition in a foreign country, on the front page right now.

    a 753 page long thread about members of a royal family of the same country. a 355 page long thread about a puzzle.

    i'd have thought you'd have been celebrating us talking about a local issue.

    why don't you go into those threads and berate them for wasting their time on something you think is trivial?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Who said we’re not concerned about housing or mass immigration?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Amy politicians bringing that stuff in the Dáil?

    This is a distraction and you lot take the bait.

    God if we could just stop men from simping we'd actually accomplish things as a nation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    I am baffled as anyone as to how this should be an issue, there is no solid reason why skorts are mandatory. Should have been done away with as soon as the players called it out

    I get why this can't be sorted out straightaway though. Camogie (like the gaa) is democratic to the core - meaning there is no one "ceo" figure who can sort this out. There is no committee who can just make a decision to change the rules. The players are right to protest - it's the only power they have



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,167 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    The UK delegate who proposed the motion to get rid of them was on on the radio earlier. She said it was the Wexford delegation who were the most vociferous against it. She even insinuated that some of the other counties were afraid to go against them.

    For the life of me I can't remember which programme. It was Radio 1 but with all the bank holiday changes I've forgotten who interviewed her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    There is a picture of a ladies camogie team in uniform in nineteen hundred and fifteen for the Wikipedia article about the sport. The customary long skirts were equivalent to what were known as "maxi length" in the seventies.

    It’s incredible that nobody so far has said anything about the good old days or mentioned the comfort level that women experienced back then. Shame on all of you for neglecting history, except myself, obviously. Lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,706 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭MFPM


    'Mass immigration' 🤣 just because this issue isn't important to you does not make it 'superfluous bollocks'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,351 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    This is a bit I find odd. If skorts change or have an impact on performance, shouldn't you train in them? You wouldn't train with a non regulation hurl even if it was better or ore comfortable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,706 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    God is too busy with Pope stuff presently. But She certainly would be expected to have sorted out Mass immigration by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭Patser


    I've often wondered in there a financial aspect to it.

    Unlike shorts and leggings, which can be bought generically anywhere, skorts are really only produced for camogie, and available through club shops or O'Neills (maybe a few select others) - definitely not the sort of thing you'd pick up in Aldi/ Penneys.

    For a stand alone association like Camogie, this could be a unique product that could generate funds, especially at game level in clubs, where camogie could be a minority sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,706 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They probably have all the based covered already.

    6. Playing Gear.

    a. Teams are required to wear distinctive colours. In all instances all members of the same team must be uniformly dressed.

    b. Playing gear must be of Irish manufacture if possible and must be from an official licensed supplier of the Camogie Association, a list of the official licensed suppliers is available on the Camogie Association Website. It must consist of: • Skirt/skort/divided skirt, sports jersey with long or short sleeves, socks and boots. Uniform socks must be worn by teams. A base layer(‘skins’) may also be worn. Goalkeepers may wear the team tracksuit in all competitions other than national finals.

    c. The crest of An Cumann Camógaíochta must be displayed on the team jersey and skirt/skort/divided skirt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,753 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Ref should have allowed play to go on. Like stupid laws, stupid rules are unenforceable, I doubt the association could have done a thing and not appear anachronistic had play gone ahead.

    Ref attire should also be skorts if stupid rules are in vogue, realistically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Surely the fact that the referee enforced the rule by ordering that the teams changed their playing gear shows that this particular stupid rule is not unenforceable????

    I agree however that if the game had gone ahead with the players in shorts, the Camogie Association couldn't have taken any action afterwards that wouldn't have left them looking even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    In fairness , it was played so low , I doubt they heard it !!!

    Poorly organised event for a Leinster Semi final .....

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    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,706 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The referee was never going to let that happen. And the women changed into skorts. It is easy to see that they just wanted a protest, not the nuclear option you would like. If they were determined, they would have finished up playing a game amongst themselves with no referee or other officials. And the higher ups in their own counties would have ordered them off the field.

    It doesn't have to be settled this week the way that Alan Kelly insists. If worst comes to worst they will have to continue for a couple of more years in the same gear that generations of players have used. And as outlined in post #131 it was most likely a cockup rather than a conspiracy that led to the wrong vote at Congress.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,049 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The players are right to protest.

    But is it right for the Oirechtas to basically order an independent institution to change its rules based on the undemocratic principle of "Because we said so"? As looks like is about to happen.

    Because it's popular to get rid of skorts no will ask should the Government be deciding what the Camogie Association does.



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