Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Exactly how are Immigrant ghettos good for Denmark? Exactly how will they be good for us.

Is this forcible and divisive treatment of human beings really something you want our country to aspire to ?

Divisive? I thought all the pro-immigration activists were all for integration? How can immigrants be integrated if they are allowed to congregate in ghettos!

I echo the OP's sentiment - I want Denmark style immigration policies here too.

Most migrants here are on low wages pay little tax so they are looking to rent on HAP or a social house .Too much reliance on the state .

https://emn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/JR2.pdf

https://emn.ie/publications/wages-and-working-conditions-of-non-irish-nationals-in-ireland/

Key Findings

• Non-Irish nationals are generally more likely to be found in lower quality jobs. For example, they are less likely to work in professional/managerial occupations (33 per cent compared to 44 per cent of Irish nationals). Non-Irish nationals are much less likely to be members of trade unions or staff associations (13 per cent compared to 34 per cent for Irish nationals).
• A ‘migrant wage gap’ exists in Ireland. In the period 2011–2018, non-Irish nationals earned, on average, 22 per cent less per hour than Irish nationals – for every €1 an Irish worker earned, a non-Irish worker earned 78 cents.
• Yet earnings differ considerably depending on origin country. East Europeans earn 40 per cent less per hour than their Irish counterparts. Part of their wage gap can be explained by differences in their social and demographic characteristics (e.g., education level), the kinds of jobs that they do, and firms for which they work. However, even after we account for these differences in characteristics, East Europeans still earn 20.5 per cent less than Irish nationals.
• For other non-Irish groups, the gap is much smaller – especially those from West Europe, North America, Australia and Oceania. This is partly because they have higher educational qualifications, but they still get lower rewards for education than Irish workers.
• For African nationals their employment rates are very low, and when in work, they earn on average 14 per cent less than Irish nationals, after accounting for background and job characteristics.
• Non-Irish women experience a double earnings penalty: for being female and for being a migrant. Non-Irish women earn 11 per cent less than non-Irish men, who in turn earn 18 per cent less than Irish men. This means non-Irish women earn 30 per cent less than Irish men.
• The migrant wage gap narrowed over time, from 25.5 per cent in 2011–2013, to 18.7 per cent in 2016–2018, in part because the skill level of the non-Irish workers increased and because they are working in higher quality jobs. However, a significant 2.5 percentage point reduction in the wage gap over time remains even after we account for these changes in Irish and non-Irish characteristics.

I cannot see how turning into a racist society is good for anyone here. Except a few on the very right extreme.

Forcibly moving people on because of their race is the very definition of racism

And before people attack saying I am accusing you or others of racism , it is Denmark's policies and some suggestions that they be adopted here that I am discussing .

This is the same treatment doled out to certain nationalities in the past .

1930s Germany , Jews in Warsaw ,Russian pogroms , Kurds , Bosnians , Yuyghers , Burmese ..

And recent times Gazans .

This is not a step in a good direction .

I know I am greatly outnumbered here on this thread but I am not generally among the Irish electorate . I would be in the middle ground on most things and would be in favour of some of the stricter processing and deportations for asylum seekers .

But would hope that for most people this turn to very right wing policies would be a step too far .

We'll see .

And for the record I am against ghettoisation .

But people should be integrated by peaceful means not force .

Force leads to radicalization

Integration is a myth, as time passes and numbers of their own communities move to Ireland, they mix less and bring their own traditions to an area. This happens the world over, yet here in Ireland we think we're special and we won't repeat the same immigration mistakes as other nations.

Would I be right in saying the last time cultural integration stopped in Ireland was during the plantations? Religion seems to be a pretty big dividing factor but there are others.

The problem is that people have wildly varying standards for what constitutes "integration". For some its simply working and paying taxes, whereas for others it means behaving almost exactly the same as their Irish neighbours, and for others the only acceptable form of integration sometimes appears to be the wholesale abandonment of all customs, traditions or languages of the home country.

Further complicating the issue is that Irish people themselves don't tend to integrate with their own culture — or rather the culture they were raised in. The current generation have almost entirely rejected one of the central pillars of Irish culture for centuries — the Catholic Church. They also are, more and more, influenced more so by social media culture driven by the larger English speaking countries of the UK and the USA. So it's often hard to really identify what exactly we are asking migrants to conform to.

There's a certain luxury to the Irish view of "integration" of course, whereby Irish people tend to migrate to other countries in the English speaking world where they arrive with native fluency and into places where the Irish community has been established since the 19th century. Thanks to English just-so-happening to be the dominant commercial language, our ability to blend in is made automatically much easier than it is for others.

We don't flush international treaties that we've willing signed up to down the toilet. For many reasons, but mainly cos we're civilised.

So basically sod all difference (bar some superficialities) in how the two countries deal with refugee claims. As before, it's all about the speed and effectiveness. That's where we lag behind.

Kinda ironic that some people will pander to a civilly-convicted rapist who warms about the dangers to women of unvetted males.

The stats are for third-level. Very clear if you look at the research.

No where in the link posted or in the CSO link does it state third level !

What war is this your on about now .

The majority of illegal migrants are coming from the UK,as there is a big clampdown on social welfare benefits there unless it is street wars they are fleeing