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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Someone yesterday described Leinster as the Mayo of rugby. I replied saying that's not fair on Mayo because Mayo can't just buy the best players in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    There are lots of things that sting about yesterday. Our defence being torn apart, our attack failing in the first half etc

    But what I'm most disappointed by is that Leinster didn't learn their lesson from last seasons final. In that game we turned down so many opportunities to take 3 points and instead kicked for the corner. We then blew the try scoring opportunity and let Toulouse off the hook. Whereas they took opted to kick at goal whenever it was on offer

    We had two opportunities to take points near the end of yesterday's game and didn't take them. Making one of those kicks would have brought the game into extra time where there was an excellent chance that we could have won. We had clawed back a 12 point deficit from HT and were finishing stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭riddles


    decision making at critical times and the ability to execute under pressure is what separates the good players from great players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's not ridiculous. We signed Barrett for him to play in these games.

    Then, when push came to shove, they didn't start him. And they played him for only 31 minutes in a Champions Cup semi-final.

    That goes down as one of the worst selection decisions I've ever encountered. It brings into question why we even signed Barrett in the first place. He's not some squad filler - he's one of the best players in the world and we had him on the bench for a Champions Cup semi final.

    I don't know why you think there is no blame to be cast there. He was our best player for the 31 minutes he was on the pitch. He absolutely should have started that game every day of the week and twice on Sundays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Leinster had a tackle rate of 58%. They didn't make two thirds of their attempted tackles. That's astonishingly bad. As an Ulster fan, who has torn out what little remaining hair I have left over our defence (and we don't even have a full-time defence coach), I have never seen us end up with a stat like that. Leo has his share of the blame, but that's on the players.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭The Guru 123


    That’s a terrible analogy really. Mayo lost a lot of finals but bar the 2021 final with Tyrone you’d be going back a long, long way to find one they played in that they weren’t huge outsiders to win. In basically all of those finals Mayo played way above themselves to bring the Dubs within a point or 2 and on some occasions to replays. Those Mayo teams reserved their best performances for the biggest days and made those games far more competitive than they should have been on paper.

    This Leinster team is the opposite. They clearly have one of if not the best team in Europe, they get to cherry pick the best players from the countries that win the world cups every time and yet year after year they play way below themselves on the biggest days and lose to teams they should be easily beating.

    They were 1/25 yesterday to win that match and failed to do it. If the final whistle was blown and Mayo were going up the steps of the Hogan stand to collect Sam Maguire they still wouldn’t be as short 1/25!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,493 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Entirely fair.

    The initial comment that I heard was said in jest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    your hurting bud. That’s understandable. Time is a great healer.


    But it’s simply true that the Irish centres as they currently stand will not in any way be good enough for the RWC in 2027



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Ok but that loss was on the players not the coaches. They missed the tackles that scored the Saints tries. Some absolute shockers not acceptable at this level of rugby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Ringrose might be good enough, I'm not sure any of the others will be though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    Hats off to NH - they relished being underdogs and had a game plan to beat Leinster and delivered.

    But Leinster did not help themselves -

    • Undercooked - the team should have played together in the last 4 weeks. Wrapping in cotton wool does not work and Leinster have a big enough squad in case of injuries.
    • Not picking Barrett was a mistake. Furlong is not the player he was either. Should he have started? Also, why Healy?
    • SP is not yet ready (will he ever be?) - aside from his defence, there were aimless kicks, he lacks pace (slower than Porter), he is not an individual attacking threat and his goal kicking was not up to scratch. Is this why they didn’t opt for three points to level it up?
    • I don’t see how Cullen can survive this. Despite resources upon resources the same mistakes are being made.
    • The Leinster rugby media do you no favors. They act like super optimistic fans and are dismissive of the opposition. Did they even watch NH this season?

    Pity that an Irish team will not be European champions again this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Yea ringrose will only be 32 but there are a lot of miles on that clock, his defeanse is very good but let’s be honest he isn’t making line breaks like he was years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    He’ll be fine, this is just a case of Ireland/Leinster not getting the best out of him just like with most of the Irish squad this season it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The Barrett non-selection is obviously the biggest talking point, but starting Cian Healy deserves to be discussed as well. He has played better than I thought he was capable of at this stage if his career, but it's clear that he offers little in the more open games. He was so poor yesterday in a game where we needed impact and physicality.

    Jack Boyle is still very inexperienced, but has performed well whenever called upon for province and country. And was one of the few Leinster players to perform well against Scarlets last weekend. He needs to be given all the minutes that would have went to Healy over the next few weeks. He offers a lot more in the carry and in defence now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    This game has highlighted an issue with Sam as well.

    He has no versatility to play anywhere outside of 10. It means you have to put another 10 on the bench, because you can’t move him anywhere else to cover.

    I thought they should have put Barrett at 10 when he came on, but they couldn’t because prendergast or Byrne couldn’t go anywhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Jack Boyle put his hand up last week and said pick me, I'm a guy who will run through brick walls when things aren't going our way. He was our best player on the pitch last week and he played less than a half. I really can't understand how we have managed that lad this year.

    Instead we picked Cian Healy because of Experience. We may aswell have been fielding a centre partnership of O'Driscoll and D'arcy for the first 20 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Indeed.

    That defensive system needs constant work IMHO. Maybe if the coaches selected a settled team these last couple of weeks Leinster would not have lost 2 in a row.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭dockysher


    Pendergast has no pace, can't tackle and makes very few line breaks. He great kicker and good passer. But you cant learn pace. He very slow. And when he bulks up he be even slower



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Continuing to select a 38 year old Healy over Boyle just sums up everything that’s wrong with the mentality of Irish rugby, too scared to move on clearly past it players.


    Like I said previously, no other major rugby nation would have Healy over Boyle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    For the first yellow card period, it was 7-7 and for the second period it was 7-0 to Leinster.

    To have twenty minutes with an extra man and only net seven more points is criminal.

    One of many galling errors yesterday alongside squad selection, overconfidence and decision making.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    That and idiotic decisions.

    76mins TAKE YOUR POINTS.

    Deserving to lose for that alone.

    Northampton exposed the Leinster defence so easily they could have walked a few tries in. Nienaber has to go.

    Congratulations to Northampton they fully deserved to win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,247 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Milne showed in One game for Munster more than Healy has shown in 24 months.


    you have to give youth its opportunity in rugby.


    Find the next pollock instead of donating caps to players that should be long retired



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    It’s one of many gripes I have had with selection at Leinster.
    There is enough evidence and lack of success to suggest that Leinster are not good selectors and game planners.

    Leo Cullen has been around long enough now to shoulder the blame.

    Unfortunately I think change is needed. Again I think Nienaber has to go. It’s not working.

    It just hasn’t worked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Still can't get over the complacency of leaving Barrett on the bench. Mind boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭letsbefair


    My problem is that team should have had a warm up game last week. They were not ready for the intensity, leading to too many basic errors, knock ons, missed tackles, shite line out. Not battle hardened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭A-Train


    Today doesn’t feel any better. Just so frustrated with the same failings being repeated over and over again year after year and nothing changing. From wrapping players in cotten wool, to not selecting the strongest 15, to relying on players that are past it, to wrong decisions and lack of leadership on the pitch.

    I can’t see what changes next season when it will be the same team as this year minus Barrett. At this stage they will never win in Europe, just a new a Clermont. Something has to change. It will be accused of a reactionary post but the last 4 years and the same failings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I’m still in utter disbelief about the decision to go to the corner with 4 minutes to go.

    While it was a dreadful performance all round, they still should have come through it - they were the better team in the second half especially with the subs on, would have fancied them to squeak though in extra time.

    Serious questions will be asked of Leo and rightly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    If you look back at the clip, Conan looks completely bewildered about whether to go for the posts or the corner. As a huge Conan fan, it was so disappointing to see that he didn't have the nous to realise what needed to be done.

    It felt like we had the momentum that if we have taken the three, we'd have gotten the ball back and had a few minutes to run the ball back at them and then tried to win the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭no.8


    Well i won't be adding much to what hasn't already been written since the game kicked off but yes, I was at the game too. While it was (likely) a great game for neutrals and the rugby world, I couldnt believe what i was watching. How different the team performed vs. The game against the Warriors and that inability to adapt, take your points and be strategic rather than panic was on show once more. It's somewhat excusable in last years final given the opposition.

    I hate to say this but it must be time to move on to a new coaching ticket. This isn't working and the whole 2-3 weeks were a sh*tshow beginning with the ticket price gouging.

    P.S Credit to NH, they were absolutely worth their victory, but this was basically like Japan beating South Africa in the WC (given the line-ups)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭no.8


    I wanted to add as well that imho they need to start sending the 1st team on these South African tours. There are simply not enough challenging fixtures prior to the 1/4's or 1/2's for the starters and the SA tests are just that.

    The team that played and won in SA this season probably would have done as good a job yesterday.



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