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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Baseball72


    100%. Same mistake last year, sending weakened team to ZA and then undercooked for the European Cup.


    Leo has serious questions to answer - not good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,405 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,847 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    A lot of fans have given up, and for good reason.

    The Irish team is in decline, the Leinster team also and the new imports don’t get them over the line.

    Take midfield for example. It’s obvious now in 2025 that Ringrose /Aki and henshaw are not going to be good enough to compete at RWC 2027, but we know bar injury that nobody else is getting a chance between now and then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    You can’t blame selection! We had 100% of our best 23 out there today. Simple as. Barrett playing 50 from beginning v 30 at end is a rounding error. This was a let down by the players . Management not to blame .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I know well what it means but it implies that the other choice, Ross, would have done a better job knowing how SP played.

    Ross is 30 years old and I can't remember a time he has ever shown he can take over a game when most players are not playing well.

    Ross has missed plenty of kicks over the years - missed two conversions in the Dublin final - and given his lack of athleticism I don't think he even makes the key tackles Sam missed.

    We've also seen how teams defend against Ross and it would have made the attack blunter - it was dumb passing and handling errors that hurt today.

    Even in hindsight, there is nothing that makes me feel Ross was the better option to start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,405 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Nonsense. We signed Barrett to be a difference maker and he was benched. He should have been out there for 80 minutes and not been held back until we were chasing the game. It's very difficult to make an impact when you're on the back foot.

    Similarly what exactly did Healy give us in 20 minutes today? Boyle should have been there.

    And in my opinion, Sam should have been pulled much much sooner. He had a howler today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭JPCN1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Just home from the match. I have lots of opinions and comments around it I can’t go into now (due to being half pissed and I’ll get banned), but that preference is not acceptable anymore at this stage of competitions. This is the best club team for a couple of years, and certainly this year on paper. I haven’t read any comments since Thursday here so I don’t know the general feel but that has to be the end of Leo Cullen. This can’t be accepted in my opinion. If he doesn’t have bollocks to hand in his notice on Tuesday it should done for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You absolutely can blame selection.

    When you have signed one of the best players in the world in an attempt to win the Champions Cup, and you leave him on the bench for the semi final - that is utterly shocking.

    The management made that decision. There wasn't a player on the park today that is on Barrett's level. And our management left him on the bench.

    That is not on the players. That is on the management.

    What an utter waste of time signing Jordie Barrett was. And that is on the management for not playing him in the games he was signed to play in.

    Genuinely don't know how you can defend that decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Not good enough today. We have built up a lot of these players as something they are not. Simple fact is that Leinster are not the best team in Europe.

    Papers have allowed us to believe Conan, Ringrose and others are world class. Realization is now happening that they're not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Funny how you mention Aki and Ringrose when Munster have done f*ck all about it producing a centre for the last 30 years.

    All the other provinces need to get their own houses in order instead of wanting Leinster to be dragged down to the sh*tshows they find themselves in.

    Imagine whinging about the plight of Irish rugby while wishing ill on the only province trying to keep it alive. It's like turkey's voting for Christmas and I'll never understand it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Will a URC win save Leo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    This Leinster side head to head with NH was far better on paper, they just didn't play up to their level while NH did - fair play to them.

    The people who have been blowing the most smoke about the greatness of this Leinster side are those who seem to spend more time moaning about Leinster's perceived advantages than supporting their own team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭TRC10


    And to the surprise of absolutely no one, the serial chokers choke yet again 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Such an illogical decision on every level. Why the **** did they bother bringing him in in the first place? I mean they didn't even put him on at h/t when Leinster were in trouble.

    What a waste. I won't hold my breath on Leo Cullen or anyone else being held to account for their decisions here. With the resources at their disposal this season someone's head has to roll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭letsbefair


    Undercooked. Devastated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    This is rubbish.

    It’s not “blowing smoke” to suggest this Leinster side have underachieved in the last number of seasons, regardless of what province you support.

    I daresay the vast majority of Leinster fans feel the same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Blaming selection is rediculous. It’s saying that the difference in that game was Jordie Barrett being on and Henshaw being off for 20 minutes. Nonsense. The starting 15 were exceptional and it’s on the hunger & game management of the Saints / missed tackles & game mismanagement from Leinster that put us away. Coaches can’t play the game. Player accountability is where this lies. 2011 was the same in reverse. Player accountability won the game, Sexton leading the way. Tommy O’Brien showed up yesterday , others didn’t , won’t name as they’re torturing themselves and don’t need a tag. Gutted beyond words



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Interesting to see a fair amount of anger at Leo on social media. Its necessary to separate the schadenfruede noise from signal but he's got away with leading underperforming teams for a long time, partly by having a rotating cast of coaches coming and going under him. But it will be hard to skate on this one as they've recruited both players and ninebar specifically to overcome the kind of thing that happened this weekend and the constant is Leo. I agree that leaving Barrett on the bench at kickoff was really dumb, when you've got a guy like that available it's insane not to use him in a knockout game. Any coach on earth would bite your hand off to coach Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,659 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    No, I think it's absolutely fair to question the coaches on selection. They messed it up in last seasons final and did it again yesterday. In 2024 VDF should have started and in 2025 Barrett should have togged out at 12.

    It's better if we leave off diagnosing this season's issues until it officially ends. There's still a trophy to be won. But selection policy must be brought up internally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Coaches and players should both be held accountable. Leinsters much heralded defence has been picked apart 2 weeks in a row. Different players but playing the same system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭antfin


    There's definitely a problem there with finishing off the business end of the season, but there's also the viewpoint that at least they're always in the mix at the business end of the season rather than choking at an earlier stage and leaving fans sitting at home the last few weekends with only other provincial colleagues to support. At the same time it's another year without an Irish team being the best in Europe which is getting worrying at this stage with potentially only one province left in Europe next year!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Someone yesterday described Leinster as the Mayo of rugby. I replied saying that's not fair on Mayo because Mayo can't just buy the best players in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,659 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    There are lots of things that sting about yesterday. Our defence being torn apart, our attack failing in the first half etc

    But what I'm most disappointed by is that Leinster didn't learn their lesson from last seasons final. In that game we turned down so many opportunities to take 3 points and instead kicked for the corner. We then blew the try scoring opportunity and let Toulouse off the hook. Whereas they took opted to kick at goal whenever it was on offer

    We had two opportunities to take points near the end of yesterday's game and didn't take them. Making one of those kicks would have brought the game into extra time where there was an excellent chance that we could have won. We had clawed back a 12 point deficit from HT and were finishing stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭riddles


    decision making at critical times and the ability to execute under pressure is what separates the good players from great players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It's not ridiculous. We signed Barrett for him to play in these games.

    Then, when push came to shove, they didn't start him. And they played him for only 31 minutes in a Champions Cup semi-final.

    That goes down as one of the worst selection decisions I've ever encountered. It brings into question why we even signed Barrett in the first place. He's not some squad filler - he's one of the best players in the world and we had him on the bench for a Champions Cup semi final.

    I don't know why you think there is no blame to be cast there. He was our best player for the 31 minutes he was on the pitch. He absolutely should have started that game every day of the week and twice on Sundays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Leinster had a tackle rate of 58%. They didn't make two thirds of their attempted tackles. That's astonishingly bad. As an Ulster fan, who has torn out what little remaining hair I have left over our defence (and we don't even have a full-time defence coach), I have never seen us end up with a stat like that. Leo has his share of the blame, but that's on the players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 344 ✭✭The Guru 123


    That’s a terrible analogy really. Mayo lost a lot of finals but bar the 2021 final with Tyrone you’d be going back a long, long way to find one they played in that they weren’t huge outsiders to win. In basically all of those finals Mayo played way above themselves to bring the Dubs within a point or 2 and on some occasions to replays. Those Mayo teams reserved their best performances for the biggest days and made those games far more competitive than they should have been on paper.

    This Leinster team is the opposite. They clearly have one of if not the best team in Europe, they get to cherry pick the best players from the countries that win the world cups every time and yet year after year they play way below themselves on the biggest days and lose to teams they should be easily beating.

    They were 1/25 yesterday to win that match and failed to do it. If the final whistle was blown and Mayo were going up the steps of the Hogan stand to collect Sam Maguire they still wouldn’t be as short 1/25!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,250 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Entirely fair.

    The initial comment that I heard was said in jest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,847 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    your hurting bud. That’s understandable. Time is a great healer.


    But it’s simply true that the Irish centres as they currently stand will not in any way be good enough for the RWC in 2027



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