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Kneecap - New Footage

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,655 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Eddie Fullerton, a SF councillor was murdered in 1991 by the UDA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Good observations in this fairly balanced article in the Guardian- and rightfully in my view criticising the political cancel bandwagon that’s emerged.

    And an interesting quote from the band themselves from 2023- I’ve said more than once of this thread that I believe a lot of what kneecap say and do, is motivated towards widening their following and by default, increasing record sales, increasing concert ticket sales and thus, making money- I mean it’s no secret- money is at the heart of PR- whether it’s to raise funds for deserving causes or to line the pockets of a music band.And no shame in that - all bands need to make money in order to survive

    Maybe that’s why they haven’t clearly explained their words - nobody would want to admit that the controversial comments are less about causes and more about simply making money.

    “Kneecap seem to be in the Sex Pistols tradition. When I interviewed them last year, Ó Cairealláin admitted: “We’re very calculated in our PR stuff. We know things are going to get a reaction.” “



    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/01/kneecap-band-furore-hypocrisy-cancel-culture-free-speech



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,916 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Well that interview between kneecaps manager and Anton savage on news talk was a complete car crash



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The thing about good PR is that it changes over time. Calling for certain individuals to be killed can result in great praise and plaudits and then a couple years later you could be in deep trouble for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I didn’t hear it -Similar to the RTÉ prime time one?



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,916 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    didnt hear the prime one, but lets just say there was a flat out refusal to answer all direct questions and tried to bring every question to "the IDF / Trump / Irish Government are bad"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭rogber


    Absolute idiots and looks like this time they're going to pay a high price for their "provocative" comments. Let that be a lesson to others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’d be with the majority of posters here on this thread in thinking that they don’t deserve a prosecution for what they said a few years ago. While the band haven’t stated why they said those things, my only personal logical conclusion was to gain notiriety, and thus more fans, and thus more income/success - it’s rock n roll playbook, plain and simple.

    But admitting that’s the reason they said those things, opens up other cans of worms for the group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yep- a complete repeat of the prime time interview - I listed out what he said in bullet point format a few pages back- he didn’t at all explain anything and just went for deflection



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I agree they don't deserve to be prosecuted. This thing where it's good to give death threats sometimes and bad at other times means that it is not realistic for citizens to know what's acceptable or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,666 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    What's been an eye-opener to me is not so much Kneecap's deliberately provocative rabble-rousing, but rather the rabble that's been roused. It's amazing how many people have been willing to go along with the "They're just defending Gazan civilians" despite all the evidence that they're not. Hamas have tortured and murdered thousands of Gazans over the years. Almost the first thing they did when the last ceasefire started was to go after Gazans who had criticised them. And by "going after them" I mean beating up, torturing and killing.

    If people on here cared about Gazans, they'd talk about that too. But they've chosen a side on this, and they're (mostly*) sticking with Hamas. Because Jews, is what it comes down to, when you're willing to defend Hamas and Hamas-supporters. As a lot of people are, it turns out.

    * A few have not, and have clearly condemned Kneecap's position, while also condemning Israel. Which is fair enough. But that's not everyone by any means. And a few others from the Israel threads are staying well away from this one. I can guess why.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭circadian


    Pissing off all the right people. I don't agree with the sentiment but the outrage is bringing a lot of attention to bigger topics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Like what?

    It's not as if the actions of Israel haven't been front page news for the last 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,486 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    lot of attention ? World is awash with attention. They’re saying nothing new, sincere, groundbreaking or impacting. Simply supporting a murdering terrorist organization. Abhorrent ramblings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,029 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    But how? I dont understand this way of thinking. Kneecap haven't done a bloody thing other than disgrace themselves.

    It's open season with regard Israel/Jews. Kneecap coulda claimed Israeli's are hunting and eating Palestinians or that Israel caused the Iberian Power Outage and they'd have been racously cheered on. Literally anything can be blamed on Israel nowadays.

    Yet they cheered on two terrorist groups despite the wide open goal they have infront of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’ve deliberately stayed out of the Israel/Gaza discussion on this thread as simply, there’s a whole separate thread for that and too easy for this thread to become derailed as a result.

    While I’m cynical about the political world jumping on the “let’s cancel kneecap” bandwagon, I’m also cynical of the band themselves -Monty Pythons “they’re not the messiah.just naughty boys .” quote keeps springing to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm surprised they were even allowed there in the first place tbh.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Manager actually came across terribly tbh, as you said there was no intention to answer a direct question and just constant whataboutery. Definitely needs a PR lesson or two as he's not helping their case at all with this constant deflect deflect deflect mentality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    If they really cared about Palestinians in Gaza, they'd be promoting and highlighting those who have been protesting against Hamas.

    They are the true defenders of Palestinians on the Strip. These are people risking their lives to defend their people. Because, as you said, Hamas have launched reprisals against their own people for criticising them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    They’re clearly enjoying the solidarity and indeed, badly needed protection of the other musicians who signed the petition - they have nothing credible or constructive to say or add to the Palestinian conflict as we have clearly seen - from a PR perspective all they can do is use this support to keep deflecting away from their own ill judged behaviour.
    Had they just admitted, that some of their comments, which were simply a method of building a unique brand, which in turn would help them up to the world stage and fame and fortune , were just plain stupid - it would be over now- but maybe that’s not 2025 rock n roll.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Good point. Also, Republicans from west Belfast who wear balaclava and wave tricolours, and nickname one of themselves provo, and attack a psni jeep in a video afaik, and who name their band Kneecap after the infamous provo permanent torture, are more than likely to believe there was "no alternative" to the many attacks in murders on English politicians in the past?

    Surely it is therefore much more sinister when these Irishmen tell their impressionable young fans to kill a Tory MP, given a high percentage of the Kneecap audience would be Republicans and many Republicans would think there was no alternative to killing a Tory MP in the past, which did happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    This should probably go in the unpopular opinions thread but the band have got a major boost from this. Their streaming numbers are way up, gigs have sold out and if promoters keep cancelling gigs they will become the most in-demand band around to the point where they will have to book them or lose out on big bucks.

    If you want a surefire way to get young people to go and see a band, tell them that they are not allowed to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,655 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The band were recorded for a new RTe series with former Irish soldier Ray Goggins, where celebs have to go to extreme places.

    I wonder will rte now pull the Kneecap episode?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Other people are in jail for talking about death of politicians....for example, Mary Lou McD got the person who in his bedroom threatened her online prosecuted and he was jailed for three and a half years. Mary Lou McD is very quiet on the current Kneecap controversy.

    If Kneecap were in jail for three and a half years at least the world would be spared from them for a while. Relatives of those MPs murdered, the last only a few years ago, deserve that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well they certainly can’t say to their record company that they don’t have any ideas or concepts for that “difficult second album” 😀

    I could see them being ushered into the studio over the summer to get the album out for the Christmas market. Their current notoriety will eventually need to be backed up by solid musicianship and artistry - they won’t be able to live off this spike in interest for long - they’ll need to build a solid catalogue of music their fans actually want to listen to - that’s arguably a much more difficult job than what they’re going through right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    That will be interesting alright- if the UK took a case against them after the investigation that’s commenced, would that influence RTÉ to shelf it? And if they decided not to prosecute, would RTÉ show it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭itsacoolday


    If they should be ushered anywhere, it should be in to a courtroom to answer serious questions. Incitement to hatred laws exist for a reason, and even with them in place some MPs have been murdered.

    Their manager would not even answer the simple question did they say Up Hamas Up Hezbollah or not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,655 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I have not heard any of the interviews the manager did, but that annoys me no end. If someone is asked a simple yes or no question and refuses to answer it, then I'd all be for ending the interview immediately.

    It's a simple question, answer the fecking thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,157 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yes but people can support Palestine and not Hamas as I do. You can also support Israel but not their Genocidal Government and many Israelis are in that camp.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,157 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I support Palestine and all the innocents. I do not support violence from any quarter.



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