Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

we will have to leave it there.

Damn, I was so hoping for the proof of lies and bribery.

So that's football, netball, and cricket all making the female category exclusively for females at all levels in the UK today after their supreme court ruling.

I'd like to think the overseeing bodies in Ireland will do the same, but our GRA with it's awful wording, makes it very hard.

"

18. (1) Where a gender recognition certificate is issued to a person the person’s gender shall from the date of that issue become for all purposes the preferred gender so that if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman.

(2) The date of issue of a gender recognition certificate shall be—

(a) the date on which the Minister decides to issue the certificate under section 8(3)(a), or

(b) the date of an order of the court under section 17(2)(a).

(3) F7[…]

(4) The person to whom the gender recognition certificate is issued shall not be required to produce it as proof of gender or identity for any purpose save as required by law.

(5) The person to whom the gender recognition certificate is issued may produce it to provide proof of gender or identity, if he or she so chooses.

(6) The issue of a gender recognition certificate shall not affect the rights or liabilities of a person or consequences of an action by the person in their original gender prior to the date of issue of the certificate.

(7) This section shall operate subject to the provisions of this Act.

"

It doesn't matter how many. The issue is protecting the female category for female people. While most football, and GAA clubs will have some girls that choose to also play with the boys at younger ages, I'm not aware of this happening at underage in reverse. Even community games for athletics separates by sex at U6.

Two very interesting letters to the Guardian today, given the people who wrote them (A former head of Stonewall, and a parent of a Trans child)…

I couldn't agree more with the sentiments of both letters. The extreme positions taken by the loudest TRAs have done real harm to Trans people in reality.

We have had that, but the side that pushed a 'no debate' philosophy, labeled those who wanted to explore a nuanced approach as being 'radical' at best and a bigot at worst.

"In 2023, the department received 354 applications under the Gender Recognition Act. Four of these were from people aged 16 or 17. This was the highest number of applications in any one year, compared with a previous record of 319 applications in 2022 and 195 in 2021."

Absolute minuscule numbers.

But you didn't answer my question.

Has anyone any idea how many trans players play sports in Ireland at any level?

Yes since a local male u15s football team in the states beat the Australians women’s international team 7-0 in a friendly and it should of been more 😂😂 The states aren’t really know for been good at football either 😂

I don’t think you realize the difference in power, skill and pace.

That neither accurate or relevant.

If a girl is playing under U16s with boys she is there on merit.

But you want to ban he from doing that.

Not sure how that’s relevant

It's relevant because your stated objections are.

1. Girls can get hurt playing with trans people. Like girls don't get hurt playing sports as it is.
2. It's unfair to take someone's place on a team.

But you have clarified, girls should be banned from playing with boys Soccer at U16.

Yes I wouldn’t want my daughter playing any sport with males at under 16 level.

Have you played sports at any age or watched the difference between male and female sports? The physicality is on another level.

Yes I wouldn’t want my daughter playing any sport with males at under 16 level.

Again, that is not what I asked you. What you preclude your daughter from doing is your personal choice.

Not everyone is you and not everyone is your daughter.

Have you played sports at any age or watched the difference between male and female sports? The physicality is on another level

You insist on moving the goal posts.

You have answered the question, it is fine.

My question was specific to Soccer at Under 16 level, you have gone off on half a dozen tangents.

Anyway in reality.

Our academy is inclusive. We don't have any Trans players, or any that I am aware, not that it would make a difference given the FAIs or our policy.

The idea we would ban girls is absolutely ludicrous and beyond sexist (they will face enough of that after 16), given the reasons put forward are based on complete ignorance and vivid imaginative fear mongering.

If they play with each other out in the green, they will have no problem playing supervised in a controlled setting.

We will continue to be inclusive with the goal of getting as many children playing football at the earliest age, you do whatever you feel you need to for your daughter or yourself. That is your right. 👍️

I know. Large credit goes to clubs like us who are inclusive.

I don't see what is confusing you here?

This is happened in Ireland has it?

Or am I about to be hit with another Daily Mail or New York Post article?

Re banning them, you will take that up with the OP that's what they want.

Where did you get that U16 number from?

Not saying it's not true, just hard to find, so a link to it would be welcome.

I know at my kids GAA club, girls can play on the boys team if they want to up until U12. Once it goes to U14 they're not allowed, nor do they want to from my experience.

But once again your question of numbers of trans participants is irrelevant. Males, however they identify, should play in male sports. Females, however they identify, should play in female sports, unless they've started on cross sex hormones as it's essentially doping.

Females who choose to compete in male/open categories (where allowed) take on the risks to themselves.