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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭REDBULL68


    The only reason putin wants this 3 day ceasefire is their afraid of Ukraine landing a missile or drone in the middle of their 80th anniversary of ww2 in red square, Ukraine should refuse and fire away .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,412 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Would be a real embarrassment for Putin if blasts ring out around Moscow during the parade. Would be a right wiff of General Westmoreland claiming everything is fine during the Tet offensive in Vietnam and blasts heard around him.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Yes call his bluff ,would make a show of him in front the real people that run the kremlin, then goodnight sweetheart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,801 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Germany needs to grow a pair and give Ukraine the Taurus missiles and don't fcuking announce it just start using them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Although I agree, I think the issue is a US component that gives them a veto on it. The SPD also appear to be sceptical - though Boris Pistorius says there are arguments on both sides of whether to send it or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah Ukraine should never agree to a ceasefire to allow Russia to celebrate "victory day". I hope they save the biggest drone strike yet for then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Russia never abides by these "ceasefires" anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Jeju


    Russia are building up troops getting ready for an massive assault and with recent attacks on arms depots a 3 day ceasefire could insure the safe movement of supply's to the front line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    Didn't someone post a link to the Russian playbook some weeks back? I've lost that link, can said individual post again, please?

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Since it was clear that Donnie was coming back, the US has been discounted as a reliable partner for the long run. I fully expect that all European defence planning is running on the assumption that the US will not be of much help, if any.

    That is also likely the mindset put into supporting Ukraine. Europe has the means to keep Kiev above water in this conflict and many leaders likely know that this investment keeps the Russians engaged there instead of freeing them up to try their luck on other NATO frontiers.

    You mention waiting into the future to be a "gamble", and it could certainly be seen that way, but I wish to repeat that is kind of war is about outlasing your opponent. Ukraine have the potential and means to outlast the Russian effort if they are enabled to do so. Time is not on Russia's side, they must finish this war soon or their potential to threaten any other nation will likely be gone for good.

    Pre-war, Russia was already facing the legacy of WWII with the demographic time-bomb of having lost a huge percentage of their young men to that war. This means that within a short amount of time, the Russian Federation's potential to renew its population will be gone. Combine this with +1 million young men lost to emmigration & the war, in addition to near zero immigration from other nations, then time is about to run out.

    In about 6-7 years Russia might not actually have the means to raise enough young people to fight any signifigant conflict, especially with the meatwave tactics they still use.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Australia is delaying the transfer of promised M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine as part of a $245 million military aid package due to resistance from the United States, which does not authorize the shipment of armored vehicles.

    Australia needs to just hand the tanks over and see if the US have an answer to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,832 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Time is not on Russia's side, they must 

    finish this war soon or their potential to threaten any other nation will likely be gone for good.

    Yet Putin doesn't seem to recognise this. He has a satisfactory (if the situation is as you paint it) off-ramp in Trump's deal but as of now does not seem inclined to take it. Doesn't seem like the kind of leader who buys his own propaganda willy-nilly but maybe they all get to that stage eventually?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Putin is likely in survival-mode, and probably has been since 2022. Grabbing Ukraine was about keeping himself in power, and since his gamble to Kiev quickly failed, the continued conflict is also about keeping him in power.

    Putin simply has nowhere to go. If he relents and withdraws from Ukraine without a tangible win, his own people will destroy him. There will be nowhere he could realisticaly flee to. At the same time, he is expending the very apparatus he needs to protect himself in order to keep the war going. So practically everything the Russian Federation has done over the past few years from killing soldiers, horribly abusing the Ukrainian people, and bombing sleeping children in their beds, has been about one single goal: Keeping Putin and his close circle in power and safe from consequence.

    History has taught us, that this approach only lasts so long…until it doesn't. Should the Russian Federation fail in the war, Putin will likely know well that his fate could mirror the likes of Gaddaffi, or Ceaușescu, or maybe even find himself decorating a petrol station forecourt like Mussollini.

    His only real hope is some kind of BS "Peace" settlement ala Donnie. A pause in the fighting, and maybe even some more chunks of "Forever Russia" could buy him time. If he has any hope of dying in office from old age…this is what he needs, and he needs it soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,979 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Or women eternally gratefull to Putin for getting rid of the monsters their menfolk turned out to be…..and getting a reward for ot too!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,832 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If he relents and withdraws from Ukraine without a tangible win

    Should the Russian Federation fail in the war,

    But how are you defining winning/losing in the war? I think if Putin cashed in his chips now (as Trump is offering the opportunity to do now at minimal cost), with Russia occupying about 20% of pre-2014 Russian territory, I think most Russians bar the ultra-hawks would see that as a decent result…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    All this talk of Europe being able to take on Russia seems a bit hopeful to me

    1. They haven't managed to do it to date 3 years and 2 months in
    2. They are still buying energy from Russia, https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/. Hitler went east for energy supplies over 80 years ago, thanks for Merkel and co they are as vulnerable as ever to having an economy with everything except natural resources.
    3. Which of the European nations have major conflict experience in the last generation?
    4. What replaces USA intelligence?

    It seems to me the USA position is largely driven by the long standing isolationist rump within the Republican party currently having the upper hand. The neo cons post 2001 adventures have cost the USA trillions and the Yanks are pulling their horns back in. The $100's billions of gear left in Afghanistan and the optics of that for no gain has come home to roost.

    There is nothing new with USA staying out of Europe's wars, prior to Pearl Harbour there was over 3m dead in Europe before USA got involved and that was after Germany declared war on the USA. (USA had been providing aid for some time prior to Decemebr 1941)

    Their key focus if you listen to them is almost entirely on China. Throwing Ukraine under the bus and letting Europe sort it is a price worth paying for them so they can pull Russia away from closer links with China



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,320 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Putin thinks he has this war won albeit one million dead or whatever figure has it.

    He's calling for the ceasefire for his big victory day parade in Moscow. He'll be wanting as large and as strong a parade as possible like the old days to show Trump and Vance. And most likely Trump and Vance are telling him to put on a big show to not show themselves up that they are bigging him up to everyone else.

    Absolutely nothing to do with peace or promises. Element alright of getting Ukraine to kowtow and being seen to do so to Putin via Trump and Vance. But it's mostly so Putin's parade in Moscow is not as crap as it was the last few years. The vain cnut he and they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,801 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    "All this talk of Europe being able to take on Russia seems a bit hopeful to me

    They haven't managed to do it to date 3 years and 2 months in"

    They haven't even tried,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That's a bit a variable, and I'm thinking will depend on what Putin & Co can spin as a "win" and what Russia as a whole will also accept as a "win".

    His original goal was clearly an attempt to retake all of Ukraine and possibly turn it into another "Republic" of the Russian Federation. Either that, or relegate Ukraine to the same soverignty limbo that Belarus finds itself it in. That goal is essentially gone, so he has to settle for something smaller now.

    Getting the current line of control & Crimea officially in Russian hands might be spinable as a win….for a while. The Donbas is a war-ridden wasteland that won't deliver much of value for a good few decades, while Crimea is returning to a desert state thanks to the Kherson dam getting blown up. Perhaps the naval base is of value…but I'm not certain that alone would be enough. He would certainly need the lifting of sanctions and return to a sense of "normality" in order to sell any "win" to Russia at large. Far too many Russian families have been destroyed by this war, so he'll really need to sell whatever gain he would get in this scenario.

    The nightmare situation for him is a collapse of the frontline and the loss of any of the oblasts that Russia had already declared as part of the country. Russian maps printed since that time already mark these as Russia, so it'll be a hard reality to retcon in that situation. I don't think he'd be able to spin that loss to save himself, and if such losses were to ever include Crimea…then he'd better have his personal jet ready to make a run for it, because the knives would likely be out for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,543 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Surely Ukraine are planning a massive drone assault on the victory parade?

    Obviously Russia will have loads of AA in place around Moscow but there's a limit to how many drones can be intercepted. Stockpiling for a major assault on that day would make perfect sense to me, send 500 "fire and forget" long range drones at the Kremlin/Red Square and enough of them will make it through to ensure the show is ruined/Russian morale is devastated.

    I'd wager a lot of AA will be moved to Moscow from other locations so, were I in the decision making process of the UAF, I'd be arguing to send the largest drone attack they can muster on the day: half against Red Square, half against airfields/ammo depots/weapons factories/oil processing facilities etc.

    It's a perfect opportunity to show the world the Ukrainian mastery of drone warfare: launch the largest drone attack ever seen to spoil Putin's "big day".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,832 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    The nightmare situation for him is a collapse of the frontline and the loss of any of the oblasts that Russia had already declared as part of the country.

    But again why not grab Trump's deal with both hands then?

    Surely this

    Getting the current line of control & Crimea officially in Russian hands might be spinable as a win….for a while.

    has to be good enough for a man with his back against the wall as you claim

    Time is not on Russia's side, they must finish this war soon

    My proposed resolution to this connundrum is that Russia's miliary position is significantly stronger than you assert, both in Putin's mind and in reality, and he has realistic hopes of major further gains on the battlefield



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    People do realise the Chinese leader will be there over the period and will be at the parade. So I highly think no drone attack on red square will happen. Imagine 1 hit him or he had a heart attack if 1 blew up in his vicinity. That is what Ukraine need, the chinese 100% behind Russia if anything happened to their president. So no there won't be any attack on Red Square when the parade is happening. I highly doubt there will be any drone attacks on Moscow when president Xi Jinping is there. Now don't get me wrong they might attack an arms dump close to Moscow so the sound of war will travel to his ears and let him know we can hit Moscow if we want but I highly highly doubt they will attack Moscow when he is there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Indulging in fantasy here… but all that military equipment has to be driven from somewhere to Red Square… it has to be gathered somewhere the day/ days before… would be terrible if some drones fell out of a window onto them. Completely accidentally like. Maybe they could parade the scramblers and golf carts instead then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,934 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Ukraine has effectively wiped out Russia as a major field army. They've forced them to expend the greater part of their strength in armor, and experienced troops. They've greatly attrited their air frames, the black sea fleet is on the run. All that without an sure force or being allowed to employ their rocket forces to their full potential.

    Europe would kick 7 shades of **** out of Russia, even with the sorry state of their armies. I'd hazard Poland alone could make a decent fist of it, nukes aside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    And yet here we are with Zelensky cap in hand to Trump while europe buys more energy from Russia than it sends military aid to Ukraine.

    Any European army knows if they try to unseat Russia they will face the same problems any other army face since the dawn of AI drone warfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭riddles


    I’d say a lot of the equipment could double up in the St Patricks day parade - stirofoam pipe cleaners and make and do paint are at a premium in Moscow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,320 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Putin had the lols showing the chinese premier his handywork.

    Remember when news of Bucha first came out and there were irish russian defenders in disbelief. I wonder do they still support the russians now and have accepted that this is the way and changed their stance on how to fight a war. Has the support washed away their sense of what is to be human. But deep down now know their support now means that this is the new way of treatment that could befall themselves and their own family for accepting thus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Obviously they’re too busy listening to their corporate manly men podcasts hearing about the threats to free speech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭poop emoji


    I was thinking if Putin moved all AA to Moscow then that means rest of country is unprotected

    We haven’t seen Ukrainians attack energy infrastructure yet, what good is having a parade if a chunk of European Russia can’t watch it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,735 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "Throwing Ukraine under the bus"

    Is this the bus you want putin's terrorists to drive over Ukraine?

    Screenshot_5-1-1.jpg

    Sorry to break it to you but it has been reported to have been taken out of action by Ukrainian drones defending their country from putin. Maybe he can find another one for the moskow parade he wants to call a cease fire for.

    Link to news report on putin's new terrorist transports for the front lines.



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