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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I felt he was focusing more on Prendergast's decision making and passing at the line, rather than his more expensive abilities. Minor quibble certainly. I'd like to see him do similar analysis on the other prominent 10s, Crowley, the Smiths, Russel and such.

    Felt he was a bit off base with regards Prendergast's tackling. His issue for me is an attitude one, rather than just being **** at tackling, in that he lacks the aggression or instinct to get stuck in. Whether it's possible to address that remains to be seen.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    He literally says Prendergast's problem is technique and mentality.

    The video is only 22 minutes long. Did you watch it through?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I did yea. He spent the video slagging his **** technique. I think he's fine when he actually commits to it, albeit it still being a soak tackle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Connacht are doing very well bringing through talent.

    So saying three out of four provinces not bringing through talent is incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭ersatz


    he did say that SPs tackling issue was at least partly mental, but it was refreshing to see it contextualised. He doesn’t hit rucks either! The main take away is that he has a very nice range of skills, is highly dangerous as a catcher and kicker in the backfield and, importantly, he sows uncertainty among defenders because he takes the ball late and close to the line and makes decisions very fast if the picture changes. It was all well evidenced.

    The list of tens who are terrible tacklers was pretty long, too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    He makes for an interesting contrast to Frawley. I remember one of the Molecasts from awhile back, possibly the Leinster vs La Rochelle 1/4 final last year, where they highlighted how many times Frawley ended up stuck in a ruck when he was on at 10. I think he has a similar range of skills to Prendergast, and is obviously far superior in his running and tackling, but just does not have the mental side to his game to be a 10.

    At the end of the day, I care about a 10's tackling about as much as I would a QB's punting. It's a thing, and can be a detriment, but i'm far more concerned about whether they can run an effective attack and control a game. Prendergast can do all that, and he's not even as bad as guys like ROG or Humphreys were back in the day. He at least has the benefit of being a big lad, who's only going to get stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I don’t think the mention on the video of SP’s tackling was meant to be taken totally seriously. Yes, he can improve but he doesn't need to be anywhere near the best on the team. You don’t want an out-half getting injured on a constant basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    I'm sure you think this is some great gotcha but in reality TOB has a tiny body of work behind him and at no point has realistically been in the running for Ireland. Beyond that if he can finish the season well and injury free for Leinster that will be great.

    Post edited by Podge_irl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    • Tiny body of work
    • If he can finish the season well and injury free that will be great

    versus:

    • Can’t buy his way into extended Ireland squad
    • Isn’t good enough to get into the conversation
    • Zero caps speaks for itself

    You’ve made my point for me.

    Personally, I think both of them could have something to offer Ireland going forward, and offer something unique versus their competition; TOB’s outright pace, and Ahern’s pace and height+lineout ability, in a team that can lack pace out wide, and has had lineout issues.

    Post edited by Podge_irl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    He has 3 9’s all of whom are excellent at tackling in JGP, Luke & Gunne. The other side he has strong 12’s lined up to absorb the pressure. Not to say he can be excused for poor defensive work but it can be compensated. Jordie Barrett back to save the day after a hand tap on the side line in last European game. Henshaw on multiple occasions taking the double gap and saving the day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Apologies posted on wrong group



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    "At no point has been in the running for Ireland"

    You're not very honest are you?

    Post edited by Podge_irl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    of course he is in the running for Ireland that’s crazy. In Lions year he is up there as a front runner I would say. Skill levels & pace absurd , hopefully he keeps his fitness but definitely seems to be improving his reslience

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Found this video very odd.

    He spends the first 5 mins talking about how good he is at scanning the field and making decisions based on that & giving various examples, then the next 5 mins completely contradicting the first 5 mins by calling him a robot who has decided everything way in advance of getting the ball.

    Also shows lots of video of him running with the ball during the segment on how bad he is at running it, I assume this is on purpose? I don't get it anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The beauty of this post is that it could be applied to either TOB or Ahern. I hope they both feature - and think they will - this Summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767




  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    There's no contradiction. He's constantly scanning the pitch, analysing the situation so that when he gets the ball he can execute immediately.

    Squidge talks about how he hasn't been a real running threat, is not particularly fast and then talks about the huge improvements in his game in just half a season. He adds some clips from the most recent matches where he has a go at a line break to illustrate that point. He also shows him coming third in a foot race.

    I know the chap talks quite fast but you can adjust the playback speed on YouTube if youse can't follow what he's saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    I find the squidge output very informed and interesting. He’s as independent as you can get, certainly more so than most



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Yeah I appreciate his level of analysis but I've also always found him generally quite snarky / critical towards Irish rugby.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I would quibble with the "not particularly fast" bit to be honest. His acceleration is nothing to write home about, but he's fairly quick for a 10.

    He also says his goalkicking is excellent which I think is a stretch. But all in all I think its a pretty good piece.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Lol classic eagleeye. Make a statement as if it's fact, get called out on it immediately and then ignore it as if it never happened.

    You'd imagine if Izzy is to have any international career, it will be at 6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    what i found odd was that he takes the france game in the 6Ns as an example of a tight game where his team didnt have complete dominance (in the way leinster typically do and ireland to some extent had previously) while ignoring the wales game which was actually a lot tighter - imo it was a much better example of SP needing to improve his overall game management/decision making



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I find him appalling. His speech pattern and manner of delivery make me shudder. I would have him as an example of how not to deliver a lecture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,716 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    100%, absolutely exhausting trying to listen to it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭ersatz


    His style is appropriate to the moment; non sequiturs, in jokes, rat tat tat delivery, ADD, mild speech disorder, brainiac. Not for everyone but its almost the default vernacular of social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Ardillaun



    Given the, for me unfortunate, reality that Leinster is probably a little better than Ireland at the moment, anybody playing well for Leinster is certainly in the frame for Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    This article is from May 2024 and I'll quote the relevant piece,

    The fact I have to go and back up what I say to repudiate smarmy, clueless allegations is ridiculous.

    Originally a winger and then a centre — “I wasn’t the best passer that was a big sign for me so I should have switched earlier” he quips — before settling in the forwards, firstly as a blindside flanker and now as a second row, Izuchukwu will hope to continue his rugby education at the Parc y Scarlets on Saturday when Ulster take on the Scarlets.

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/ulster-rugby/cormac-izuchukwu-determined-to-see-his-long-road-end-with-a-regular-starting-place-in-ulsters-second-row/a1460892702.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    That video on SP was just right in tone and content. He doesn't take himself too seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,358 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I see.

    Fashion over style. One of those lasts the other fades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,947 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Just going to ignore the reality of where he's been playing then?



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