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Army-Land Component

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  • #62
    roadmaster
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    Manicmoran has mentioned that the next APC has a weight issue for when used here. Could the French Griffion be an option as it has the required armour level and also comes in different versions?



  • #63
    jonnybigwallet
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    I see it weighs 25 tons. Also very tall compared to Mowag.



  • #64
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859869#Comment_121859869

    The High Level Army Design for how the land forces will look and operate is due before the summer so i presume the Armour order will be based off that.



  • #65
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860902#Comment_121860902

    Given how every other event/paper/plan has missed its date by a wide mark, do you actually think they will get it out before summer?



  • #66
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861037#Comment_121861037

    Dates in this country are more Guidelines!



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  • #67
    Larbre34
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121861037#Comment_121861037

    They'll get it out before the general election anyway.



  • #68
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121867365#Comment_121867365

    Want to bet? The only thing I can think of that they will want figured out before the election will be where the HQ is going to be, and that’s just for winning votes, as we’ve seen from the campaigning. Anything involving ideas around spending money on hardware for the DF is going to run up against the usual BS straight away.



  • #69
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121869671#Comment_121869671

    The new Army HQ will be decided by throwing a dart at a map of the country



  • #70
    mupper2
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    The DF sent some lads up to Finland for a Patria demo of the NEMO 120mm mortar system

    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jouni-wirtavuori-4a291415_patria-nemo-120mm-mortar-live-firing-demonstration-activity-7190068626165534720-4Snn?trk=public_profile



  • #71
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078012#Comment_122078012

    Patria APC and wheeled Artillary inbound? Or just weekend away for the lads?



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  • #72
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122078978#Comment_122078978

    If the Defence Forces went the Nemo Mortar would that be the end of the 105 in irish service?



  • #73
    mupper2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080050#Comment_122080050

    One way or the other towed arty's time is coming to an end operationally…how long we hold onto the 105 is another matter.



  • #74
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122080941#Comment_122080941

    well how long did we keep the 25 pounders?



  • #75
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122081264#Comment_122081264

    to be fair, I thought they were only ceremonial now, if so we aren’t the only ones keeping them for that. As to the 18 pounders, where were we getting ammo for them into 1974?



  • #76
    Manic Moran
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    Interestingly the word I'm getting unofficially from US testing is that the Nemo isn't meeting their expectations. It's good, but not good enough, as it were. A US purchase seems likely only if there is an urgent need or if better options are not forthcoming.

    Some of the 25prs were divested. I ran into one in a ceremonial/ historical role near Toronto.



  • #77
    mupper2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭mupper2


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    Estimated value excluding VAT: 8 000 000,00 EUR



  • #78
    mupper2
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    Seyntex won the body armour contract.

    Ireland: Bullet-proof vests

    BODY ARMOUR GSBA

    Ireland, Dublin (IE061) Newbridge

    Estimated value excluding VAT: 19 500 000,00 EUR



  • #79
    roadmaster
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    Back when the tender for the LTAV was active which was eventually one by the RG32. Mowag & Timoney were due to have a JV with the Eagle been asembled here and a maintance line set up just outside Navan. Then there was a falling out as per the article below.

    Now with such a big order going in for the new irish Armour could we see as part of the deal witj the french or who ever gets the contract teaming up with Timoney for the contract delivery?

    It would be a win win for everyone. Army gets there new cars, The government get to say new jobs.It would also be good for irish heavy industry.

    https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/timoney-drops-out-of-latest-20m-army-contract-for-armoured-cars/25986007.html



  • #80
    Larbre34
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    The reason we don't have much heavy industry, is that heavy industry is very low margin, and the cost base in Ireland is very high.

    As far as I know, Timoney don't even make anything here any more, they are a design and innovation house.

    Also there is a shortage of labour in the economy.

    All of which counts against any heavy kit ever being made in Ireland for the DF



  • #81
    roadmaster
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    Not true, We have a very good Engineering Industry particuarly in Agri and Steel. We would be able to do it no problem. We cant be just sticking to drugs and washing money as a primary source of income.



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  • #82
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123219273#Comment_123219273

    we don’t stick just to them, but more to the point the question is whether it’s economically viable, even at LoA3 spending I would say no.



  • #83
    roadmaster
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123219349#Comment_123219349

    The assembley would only be a small part as with most assembly plants you are getting parts from everywhere and putting them together.

    The main thing is to have a local service line where a APC could just go down the road for service (Heavy or light) Simlar to what happens in cork dockyard with the navy.



  • #84
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123219366#Comment_123219366

    and even for Cobh we bring in people from NI for serious work and that’s just for basic OPVs, if Harris comment on actual combat capable vessels happens using Cobh is going to be a huge undertaking.

    Prefer to keep it simple and just plug into a larger user/support base.



  • #85
    Larbre34
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123219273#Comment_123219273

    Are we good at steel? I mean sure, there are some excellent firms like Radleys of Waterford who produce great work for the contracting and agri sectors - they even made the Dublin Spire - but somebody investing to set up a dedicated plant to build 120 complex chassis (even 200 at a push), with zero local knowledge base, and then go into maintenance operations? Its simply not viable. Nor even necessary.



  • #86
    sparky42
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    from social media, but seems we sent a few lads to have a look around with the French hardware:

    https://x.com/aidefranceukr/status/1907758414970667272



  • #87
    thomil
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    Hope it's more than just a tire-kicking exercise. I might be pre-disposed towards the navy because of my origin as a "fish head" and towards the air force simply due to personal preference, but the army deserves some love too 😉

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • #88
    roadmaster
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    The lads in Collins & Custume will be getting very excited looking at the caesar. Did Cav not get to go?



  • #89
    vswr
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    French Air Force C-130 landed in Baldonnell today. Did a fuel stop in the UK. Wonder if it was heavy with some demo kit?



  • #90
    sparky42
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123324738#Comment_123324738

    Think that and the German A400 were the ones lifting our forces for the EUBG.



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  • #91
    Manic Moran
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123324083#Comment_123324083

    I'm pretty sure they've been already, no?

    That said, on past experience I'd expect to see (if not loudly shouted) some Cav guys in the US in the next two months. I'll bet they're sending a group to Ft Benning for the US Army's Cavalry contest again where they will doubtless be able to look at some of the latest and greatest in US service, and they've occasionally gone to the International Armored Vehicles conference in June (This year it's in Detroit, where all the US Army's… and the manufacturers like Rheinmetall's) new toys are.



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