Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

People can claim there is no replacement, but when we can't provide jobs for Irish trained nurses, but our politicians gaslight us by saying the health service would collapse without immigration, you would really have to start to wonder.

Nope, you've not challenged the piece nor its contents. You've just attacked the player, not the ball.

Its reverse slavery, as you say drain those countries of their educated citizens, while men in suits make vast sums of money from the immigration racket.

You cut short your quote on labour force participation and didn't give a source. Did the rest of the paragraph not suit your point. Here's the full thing (from the CSO Earnings Analysis using Administrative Data Sources 2023).

"The labour force participation rate was 73% among immigrants who were Irish citizens and 66% among non-Irish citizens.

Students were the main reason for this difference, accounting for 10% of immigrants who were Irish citizens and for 24% of non-Irish immigrants."

Yeah I always wondered that. And the amount of people working in important jobs abroad but when they get here they'll be taxi drivers, work in fast food, cleaners etc. Far more productive to the planet if they're not here providing the rich with non essential services.

"Oh but the health sector would collapse". Could you be anymore selfish. How do you think the health service looks where these people emigrated from. I grew up being thought in school about the western brain drain on the 3rd world. Not a priority for many activists it seems.

Does it benefit Ukraine if millions of their citizens remain permanently abroad while receiving generous social welfare. It benefits Putin, that's about it.

You linked that WP article to backup your opinion that replacement theory is bunkum. The author of the article used the number of naturalised citizens in one single year as evidence that replacement theory is bunkum. If many immigrants don’t bother with it, why use that piece of data and not the number of immigrants? Easier to cherry-pick the subset of naturalised citizens which, as you say, is the smaller number. Maybe RT is true or maybe not, but the linked WP article doesn’t prove anything - it is just an opinion piece of a WP columnist after all.

Cllr Liam Browne says the company was incorporated in Spain just three months ago, a single listed director, Ms Ana Maria Fernandez Sanchez

"So basically, the Irish Government have signed a contract, worth between €16m and €20m, to a woman living in Spain, running a three month old company valued at €120, who has no track record of ever running a hotel or direct provision centre. That is your tax money, going offshore." https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/your-community/1779327/woman-in-spain-to-benefit-from-dundrum-house-hotel-ipas-centre-contract-worth-up-to-20m.html

Still no mention of it in the national media.

WtF is going on in this country.We are truly banjaxed.

That's definitely what the UN paper was about, lads moving from Cork to Dublin... it's hard to debate logic like yours so we will leave it there.

Again you brought up white people being colonisers not me. If it wasn't guilt be association and an attempt to frame the narrative then perhaps I'm giving you too much credit.

The narrative you create with your "jokes" dismiss valid concerns (we can afford this) accuse others of being racist because of their heritage or by association with skin colour. Instead of arguing the point you make comments to discredit. Like I said you do you.

So you're unclear what a migrant is. I've moved around this country, moved internationally a few times and returned here. In each instance I was a migrant. That's what migration is and you need to distinguish the various types before commenting on immigration alone. You similarly need too distinguish the figures.

I can appreciate the mental gymnastics happening in your head right now as you refuse to accept the reality of what the document is proposing so il attempt to clarify for you - From the UN document entitled "replacement migration" the one I linked to previously and you failed to research. International migration is to arrest population decline, population decline is happening in mostly developed countries. Most of Asia (except Japan etc) and Africa are multiples of European fertility rate in fact there are countries in Africa and Asia individually that had more births than the whole EU27 last year. We have population projections in our CSO data based on high medium and low migration its not a conspiracy theory to say it's a factor in government economic policy. The UN document mentions integration once it is solely a economic model. It is not about Paddy from Cork moving to Dublin.

"The future population size and age-sex structure of any country depends basically on the three
demographic components: fertility, mortality and international migration. As no policies to increase the
mortality of a population are socially acceptable, there are, in theory, two possible ways of retarding or
reversing demographic ageing. First, a reversal of declines of fertility would lead the age structure of the
population back towards a younger one, thus slowing down the ageing process. However, the recent
experience of low-fertility countries suggests that there is no reason to assume that their fertility will
return anytime soon to the above-replacement level (United Nations, 1997).
Hence, as a second option, the potential role that international migration could play in offsetting
population decline and population ageing has been considered. Given the possibility of attracting larger
number of immigrants into economically affluent developed countries, virtually all of which are
experiencing low fertility, it appears appropriate to consider the impact that international migration may
have on the demographic challenges of ageing. The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD) commissioned research on these issues and published in 1991 a special report on
the demographic impact of migration (OECD, 1991).

To be fair to the UN authors of the report they did acknowledge that increasing mortality rate would be "socially unacceptable" which is a fairly chilling observation.… another conspiracy theory right there.

It was in yesterday’s Indo

A lot of potential properties are being rolled back on. Sites in Coolock, Oughterard, CarneCarnew, Kilkenny, Kells, Moyvalley (I'm sure there are more) have all had the department changing their opinion on in recent weeks. Also, not forgetting Newtownmountkennedy which is still empty.

Question is, does it show the shear volume of sites being assessed or is there a change of direction in the department.