Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

The article you posted discusses replacement theory as regards the USA yet you are insisting that posters discussing immigration in Ireland read the article.

You're asking me to explain something you're posting 😵‍💫

Here's a professional athlete, and Irish record-holder, in Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/athletics/efrem-gidey-smashes-irish-record-in-california/a641735974.html

^ And there you have it, 'a good migrant story' is free-to-view on TheIndependent.ie

Meanwhile, the 'not-so-good migrant story' is locked up behind a paywall on TheIndependent.ie:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/a-mallorca-director-a-disbarred-us-broker-and-a-multi-million-deal-to-house-asylum-seekers-in-a-tipperary-manor/a1578512248.html

And some in this country claim our media are neutral and are not in anyway biased. 🙄

Yup you just have to look at the governments propaganda machine RTE for a prime example. They constantly downplays the immigration issue and toe their landlords the government

The problem Matt Carthy and SF are highlighting is not that there are IPAs being landed into every nook and cranny (excluding D4) of Ireland, it's that the accommodation of IPAs is being farmed out to the 'private sector' which really means well connected folks to FG and FF in alot of these centres.

If SF were in power, there would be even more IPAs coming into Ireland and knowing SF they would use CPO to grab the buildings used and set up a state integration agency tasked with running the centres, i.e. they would nationalise all the wrap around services and supports that go hand in glove with running an IPA centre. SF would then pull the rabbit out of the hat to gaslight the public on how they're 'creating jobs'.

SF along with most of the opposition are 'all for' increasing government. This stroke would be no different. Dependency on Government is a left wing aim. Independence of government is a right wing aim. Us the voting public are tasked with deciding what aspects of life should be dependent and what aspects should be independent. Be wary of SF, they are known to flip-flop on which aspect goes where, as it suits them.

You understand that a theory is not a fact but something posited for academic debate? Such philosophical-political discussion has no borders and the writer has pointed out the absurdities of the theory which applies globally. Shall I take your inability to refute his arguments as acceptance?

Did you miss the use of 'proportionately' in the CSO report?

Still not accepting there are more per capita immigrant workers in employment? I'll pass your reservations on to CSO Cork.

Some very uncomfortable days ahead for the government and their NGO handlers. This one has legs and phone calls will be made, but it's so brazen its going to be damage control mode for them.

The handling of IPAS facilities has the same whiff as the UK Covid contracts scandal.

I've read the report and accept all of it. I was the one who posted it to bring it to the attention of those who label immigrants as low contributors and this proved the opposite.

You have clear difficulty accepting that proportionately more non-Irish than Irish are in employment here, that immigrants are more willing to work than locals. The educated public reflected their awareness of this in ignoring the anti-immigrant parties in November and forcing immigration way down the agenda for future governmental focus.

Ya'd hope that being routed or ignored would push the parties of hate into focusing on health, housing, the economy and more crucial issues. But they seem to lack the wherewithal to work that out and the bilious nature remains. Hence they'll be ignored again and again.

Night night y'all.

I have criticised the piece and by extension the author as per my quoted post. The counter argument I made, which is plain to see, is highlighting his clear as day cherry-picking proponents of his weak as dyke water argument.

When Philip Bump dribbles in an interview like this:

There have always been people who were into dressing up as animals, right, we called them the furries, now. And the only reason we knew the furries exist is because furries went online, and they found that they had this community of like-minded people. And now there are entire conventions where people like to dress up like animals. No one would ever have expected, that the Internet made that possible. That is a, sort of, I wouldn’t necessarily say its an innocent, way to look at it. But, that is not something that is particularly nefarious, but that's a community that’s emerged because of the Internet. Now, what we’re seeing though, is we see a lot of communities that are nefarious emerge...we’re seeing white nationalists, we’re seeing the alt-right, we’re seeing people who have motivations of hate. They too can find communities, and those communities not only help them share information, but they also provide a support structure. And so they, in the same way, that a furry can go in a community and say, “you know what, you’re not so weird, I also enjoy dressing like a wolf”

I think it's safe to say this guy is not to be taken too seriously on what he has to say.

This article one of many on low wages for foreign workers here. The EMN figures is 8 percent Irish 9 percent foreign unemployed repeated 3 times now . Most migrants come here to work or study on visas . Nit picking over 1 percent is hilarious or is that just a desperation to show contempt for Irish .

"labour force participation rate (numbers employed or unemployed as a percentage of the population aged 15 and over) among recent migrants who were Irish citizens was 73% and 66% among non-Irish citizens. "

Online Critics are both left and right unless you got proof .Africans have a higher unemployment rate at 15 percent and Ukrainians at 36 percent. This puts your claim into doubt if CSO figures are relied on . DSP figures would be more reliable .

https://emn.ie/labour-force-participation-of-migrants/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20there%20were%20596%2C849,ability%20to%20speak%20English%20decreased.

Could we file this under government corruption? Apparently some here don't believe it's happening in Ireland. Or maybe they don't want to believe.

Citizenship, not immigration numbers. Most overseas residents here don't bother with it in the same way as the Irish abroad generally don't bother taking on a second allegiance. What are the comparative 2020 figures for immigration to Ireland and the USA?

very good post, right on the money.