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Cork - BusConnects

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    For some perspective on that, here's Cork city centre and DKI at the same scale:

    image.png

    On vehicles per day, however, the N7/M50 Red Cow is busier. Red Cow is also an actual transport intersection, as you can change between private car and tram at that point.

    Anyway, all off topic. Sorry for the diversion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Yeah , there should be a way ,for buses to safely pull in and passengers to change , there is space for the train to pull in , park and ride is a bit out there , all that should have been included n the original design brief - kind of need to include an n40 / north ring orbital bus route that links in ..

    It is a huge area , but if you exclude the little island slip roads, it's a bit more manageable.

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    It should have been in the design brief. Hindsight is 20:20! But remember too that it was progressed at a time of no money and no sustainable transport. The original design had cyclists and pedestrians dashing across the Tivoli-Dublin slip ramp! It's a project from a bygone era, hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Another Bus Connects bump: the Airport only gets 2 buses: one on 60min frequency from Haulbowline to Kent, the other on 30 min frequency to Kent. That's not enough. That looks like a mistake in the design of Bus Connects. If there's only two buses there it means almost everyone needs to change bus, so they need to lay on a higher frequency to the Airport to smoothen that out. It needs to be 20 min or even 15.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Planning was recently granted for a new terminus at CUH for Bus Connects - as well as termini at Mardyke Walk, Parnell Place, Clontarf Street and Riverstown

    Screenshot 2025-01-10 at 17.31.48.png Screenshot 2025-01-10 at 17.30.42.png

    https://consult.corkcity.ie/en/consultation/cork-university-hospital-bus-terminus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,675 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Looking at the Luas preferred route and it cuts right through that same spot as the proposed new bus stops at CUH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    In fairness to the Luas people, they do seem to know about this:

    image.png

    There’s room for the necessary extra bus stops south of the Luas lines, but it would mean changing the path of the cycle way to run closer to the Luas path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I don't know where I read it but they also seem to acknowledge it as a transfer point from bus-to-luas and luas-to-bus transfers. It does look like they've taken it all into account. Remember too that the route maps are really only indicative at this point and what gets built can vary quite a bit at detailed design. No harm getting the submission in about it though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    On submissions. If anyone is reading this (or the Cork Luas) and doesn’t see any problem with this design, can you take a bit of time and put in a submission to that effect. Just something along the lines of “I’ve reviewed the documents, looked at the plans, and I think it’s a really good design and I’m in favour of it continuing to implementation.”

    I don’t know that it would make any difference, but these submissions are collated, and maybe if there was an overwhelming number of responses saying “Yes, do it!”, it would give less weight to the “my life will be ruined because you’re moving a fence” complaints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭crayon80


    Definitely. The more positive submissions the better.

    At the last public consultation they said exactly that- if you are in favour of it do tell us, don't assume everyone else will. And that people who don't like it are more likely to make a submission so the responses can be very imbalanced.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Something I've thought about, I wonder if it would be wise for the NTA to carry out a survey on peoples views on projects like this?

    DCC has done surveys when they wanted to pedestrianise Capel Street and other streets. The Capel street survey found over 80% of people in favour of pedestrianisation and thus DCC were able to use this info in the media and I assume part of the planning submission.

    The reason I'm saying this, is people who are in favour of something rarely make submissions. Such surveys can get you the more broad public opinion on the scheme, not just the NIMBYs

    During the pedestrianisation of Capel street DCC were able to very effectively use the results of their survey in the media that despite some people complaining, the majority were in favour. It helped change the public discourse in the media IMO.

    Like every media article I read still had the interview with some random small business that said it would impact their business, but then in the next paragraph it would have the results of the survey, making it obvious what the general public wanted and putting the complaints in context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭Taisteal Éireann


    https://www.transportforireland.ie/news/nta-and-bus-eireann-to-launch-new-route-31-connecting-knockraha-to-cork-city/

    It looks like one of the routes proposed under BusConnects is actually happening. No information yet on the exact routing or the timetable, but I'm guessing this was the proposed route 51 (now numbered 31). It will operate every 90 minutes as opposed to the planned 120 minutes and also operate on Sundays too. The new route will also replace the 214 extensions to Knockraha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,395 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The timetable is already on the Bus Éireann website since the start of this week (click on the “download this timetable” box).

    It’s using a single bus all day.

    Routing wise it’s a straight replacement for the Knockraha 214 services but starts at Parnell Place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭Taisteal Éireann


    Ah, it wasn't loading for me correctly, but I see it now, thanks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    I imagine they changed the number to 31 due to Expressway route 51 also departing from Parnell Place!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭EnzoScifo


    Weird using 31 as the route number so early. The reason all the cork routes changed to 200 numbers was because the realtime indicators are operated on a national basis and there would be duplication with other BÉ routes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭Taisteal Éireann


    The plans for the five cities all have routes starting with low numbers, so at present, there will be numerous number '1' routes for example. The original plan for what are now the 'L' routes in Greater Dublin were to be numbered in the 200's (e.g. - route L1 was to be route 201). I'd imagine the low numbers are to give the various networks a 'city' feel to them, but if the TFI brand and colours will be uniform in all the cities, maybe it is a bit contradictory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭p_haugh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,395 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Updated maps have been added to the BusConnects Cork page under the heading “Local Area Maps”.

    https://busconnects.ie/cities/cork/cork-bus-network-redesign/

    These reflect a lot of renumbering of the planned routes and some changes to the planned routes and frequencies.

    A summary of the changes is linked to on that page:

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Cork-New-Route-Numbers.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,568 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Not actually BusConnects but Cork City Council propose to realign the N8 between Lower Glanmire Road and Alfred Street to a new alignment closer to the rear of Kent Station in order to create a new promenade on the waterfront along Horgan’s Quay;

    Are they missing a trick here to but in a contra-flow bus lane? Surely Alfred Street and south of the station would be a better route for buses than going north of Kent? Shouldn't be building two general traffic lanes anyway, give the space to buses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,675 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    When are these routes supposed to actually come into existence? Been hearing for quite a few years about this.

    The biggest issue on Cork buses remains the dwell and loading times with everyone having to interact with the driver. Got the bus the other day and even though it wasn't busy the load times for even a small number of people is farcical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,395 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The project won’t start rolling out until the new Tivoli depot has come online, as there is simply no more space available in Capwell for additional buses.

    Work has started on the Tivoli depot but I suspect that it’s likely to be early 2026 before it comes on stream.

    The first route, Route 31 to/from Knockraha, did start at the end of April.

    They are planning to roll out LEAP validators in the coming months on Cork City services which would mean avoiding driver interaction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Just looked at the updated maps… disappointing that there is still no direct link from the train station to CUH. You still have to climb the dodgy steps, obviously not suitable for any old person going to hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,395 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The 214 links Kent Station directly with CUH.

    The new 14 will also link them directly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Just for detail - 214 has linked CUH with Kent for a long time, is reasonably heavily used. Approx 20 mins frequency



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    100% agree. The load times are an absolute force. Leap actually managed to make it slower getting on the bus - you couldn't make it up. Why you can't prevalidate before you get on board by having machines at each stop is beyond me



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,749 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Too many bus stops, it would cost too much money to bring power and electronics to all of them. Plus you would need to hire lots of ticket checkers as you would be moving to a more Luas type operating model.

    I will say Leap card in Cork is WAY SLOWER then in Dublin. Partly because of the lack of right hand validator and partly for some reason using Leap on the driver ticket machine is also much slower then the driver ticket machine in Dublin!

    Hopefully the introduction of the right hand validator and I assume 90 minute ticket, will greatly speed up boarding in Cork. While not perfect, I will say that boarding time in Dublin is much faster with the right hand validator and 90 min ticket.

    Eventually we will hopefully get the Next Gen Validators and they should be even faster.

    As an aside, you can actually pre-validate before getting on. By buying the ticket on the Leap Go app on your phone, you pre-validate the ticket before the bus arrives and just show the driver your phone as you board. Doesn't really help though if most other passengers are paying by cash or Leap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    From what I've seen Leap Card is treated like cash in Cork. It's really cumbersome. All they're short of is a step to give you virtual change. The system for Bus Éireann was clearly designed for rural expressway coaches, not city busses, which was always a constant issue for CIE which seemed to only be able to get its head around "Dublin Bus" and "Down the Country Bus"

    TFI at least seems to understand urban transport is a thing outside of the M50.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    It's clear the Leap integration in Cork was done as a least cost, least effort way of allowing people to use the cards.

    The driver sells you a contactless ticket when you board, which he or she has to choose, and it's that need to choose a ticket type that slows everything down.

    Proper tap-to-board equipment is coming, thankfully, and it should really help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Any rough idea of when it's coming? At least the prices are lower with Leap. There is some benefit



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