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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭fitz


    I like this idea of getting players in for 6 months who are good enough to just slot in, can keep standards high during 6N without the internationals, and who can bring something new.

    Elsom, Thorne, Barrett - these type of short-term signings have exposed our younger players to serious quality and new perspectives, with Elsom and Thorne's influence and impact on the squad lasting well beyond them. Suspect the same will be said about Barrett.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    With the way things are panning out, you'd have to think this is the end of the road for Frawley at Leinster. At least Osborne is young enough to bide his time a bit (though I'm not thrilled about the idea of him spending longer moving around the backline).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭crossman47


    And that's the problem many can't see. Leinster's short term success is being put ahead of the development of home grown talent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭jonok28


    "Leinster Rugby are delighted to confirm this morning the signing of Blues Rugby and New Zealand All Black utility back, Rieko Ioane."

    Calling him a Utility back rather than centre is potentially interesting.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I mean, this is fundamentally untrue though. Leinster develop far more homegrown talent than anyone - it is not even particularly close.

    We should absolutely be bringing these kind of NIQ players in. I just question the position of this one. Also I suspect Frawley was gone either way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    That would be a real shame , I'm not excited by this 'big signing', my connection/interest to leinster weakens further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I don't see as much of a problem as others do.

    Leinster have always used three 10's. This season Sam, Ross and Ciaran. Next season Sam, Harry and Ciaran.

    Jamie Osborne will overtake Henshaw at the 12 jersey fairly soon and Henshaw will be moved to the bench. Ioane will be used as a utility player.

    Will Frawley find time hard to come by at centre? Yes but there is opportunities at 10 during the season and at 15.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Why would this signing weaken your interest in leinster? Why is this signing not a good moce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    I'm curious to hear what you suggest as an alternative.

    Do you think that Leinster should only have home grown players and no NIQs?

    Or do you think we should only have NIQs in areas of comparative weakness in the Leinster setup?

    Because the beauty of it is Leinster produce quality and promise in every position. And a lot of the quality and talent can attribute at least some of their development to the direct and indirect influence of NIQs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    How does ones connection weaken due to this signing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Spoiled or main character syndrome. You decide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    blocks the progress to some home bred , like Frawley, Osbourne and a few from Academy. Is it really needed ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Whatever this signing means, I think holding back development of young Irish guys is the least of its impact. If he does a similar stint to Barrett, who took a holiday in the middle of his already brief time here, the impact will be negligible.

    Frawley has much deeper issues already. Osborne is getting loads of game time. For guys like Cooney, their key time is the first half of the season when Ioane won’t even be here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Ah come on.. no side in the world plays more homegrown or academy players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,525 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Leinster are one of the best at playing young/home grown players. If you want to be the best you need signings and alternative voices. Its great signing for leinster. Would love to be able get signings like these in munster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Osborne is at over 1000 minutes this season with at least 6 Leinster games left and a summer tour to come.

    Last season he finished with 1500 minutes.

    He has 240 minutes in the ERCC this season vs 340 last (with the extra time factored in)

    Anyone who pulls his name for blocked development is both straw manning and doing him a disservice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,216 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,353 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    If Frawley, Osbourne, Jimmy O'Brien or others are knocking it out of the park, they'll get their spot in the team. J Osbourne is an international, he'll be fine. Andrew Osbourne is nowhere near the level yet.

    Frawley has been pretty poor this year and Jimmy O'Brien has been distinctly average - and they've both had chances to play. Right now the only thing blocking them is their own form.

    One player coming in for half a season isn't going to displace these players as they're not currently in the conversation for the 23. Those players you and others mention have an entire first half of the season to show their ability and take the jersey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭For Petes Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Great signing. We will have Henshaw/Osborne for 12 and Ringrose/Ioane at 13. Henshaw isn’t getting any younger and can’t cover 13 to the same degree as he could earlier in his career. Ioane can cover wing if needed which hopefully puts an end to Osborne at 14. If anything, I see this as good news for Osborne as he’ll likely see the majority of his minutes at 12/15 which has been an issue with Jordie Barrett playing in his preferred positions this year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭crusd


    That is not what I said. I said the IRFU in allowing this move are not facilitating players already through the youth system, and in the squad getting, game time to further their development. We will have more Tommy O'Briens not getting a break until 26. Ioane is not Jordie Barrett either . Ringrose is a better player so the argument of developing players through setting example is spurious, unlike in the case of Jordie Barrett. Provinces, any provinces, should only be allowed sign overseas players in two scenarios - specific position need where a quality IQ player is not available, or an exceptional world class talent on a short term ala Jordie Barrett



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    We will have more Tommy O'Briens not getting a break until 26. 

    Tommy O’Briens career has been held back by recurrent injuries, not foreign players.

    the Barrett and Ioane signings are much less detrimental to player development than Nankivell, Kok, Josh Ioane, Smyman, Abrahams or pretty much every other NIQ ever.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Tommy O'Brien didn't break through until now cause his legs are made of chocolate. It had nothing to do with NIQs.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Which international star blocked ToB? His own body and occasionally Jordan Larmour are the only things to have limited his game time.

    If I could choose between TOB never getting injured again and signing Rieko Ioane the choice would be very easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭crusd


    Ye Leinster boys are really touchy. I never said this problem was a specific Leinster issue. If a player is available and they are permitted to sign them its not their fault when they do. And you are right, sup par NIQ players at other provinces is a problem. We are better off with an average Irish player getting game time than an average overseas player



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'Touchy'??? Surely the posters only pointed out you were wrong re TOB. Do you acknowledge you were wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I haven't read any justifiable reasons against Ioane going to Leinster, most of the posts have been fake facts, the TOB onel wasn't particularly well thought out, he's always been highly regarded but can never seem to string more than a few games together before getting injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭Absoluvely


    Anyone got the EPCR presale link for Leinster Northampton?

    I registered for the presale but they didn't bother to send me the link.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,019 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I'm not a Leinster fan, so my actual view is pretty irrelevant, but I am going to give it anyway.

    An Irish province has never won anything without some key NIQ players in there to get them over the line. Never. If Leinster win something this year Barrett and Snyman will have been key to it.

    There has to be a balance between development of indigenous players and winning things. In recent times for Leinster that balance has been off and they haven't won a sausage in 5 years.

    Would you rather watch a team made up of 23 Leinster men consistently winning nothing, or a team of 20 Leinster men who win things? I think the choice here is easy, and I don't see how the dilution of identity argument comes into it at all. Leinster are still going to be, by an absolute mile, the most homegrown team in world rugby.

    The real impact of these signings is the peripheral Irish players who hang around to play a handful of low-key league games a season will not be able to ride on the coat tails of Leinster as readily as they have been to date. I think it will become clear that his is good for everyone, Leinster included.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,353 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I didn't get an email but was able to guess the link

    https://www.ticketmaster.ie/event/1800628AD5A14513?did=EPCR



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