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Upfront with Katie Hannon

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,573 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I didn't say anything about the mother.

    My point is the right to discuss the matter which you seem to be against entirely. Not much learning from that approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    My husbands nephew is severely autistic - you can tell by just looking at him that he has a disability. All the education and school places he got have not made a blind but of difference to him. Despite what his parents and authorities think the reality is he will never work or lead a normal life. That's true autism to me.

    Contrast him to children in my children's school who are supposedly autistic. It is not clear at all to me how they are different. They seem to lead normal lives other than their mammies claim carers. The diagnosis is sometimes about money and an excuse for bad parenting. These type of diagnosis is insulting to kids who have genuine autism.

    Even the Harris guy speaking tonight - Lets face it he he a well capable guy who is able to get his point across well on national tv . His diagnosis is questionable imo.

    Perhaps the spectrum needs to be defined clearer and not all labeled as autistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You said that in response to my post about that mother.

    The conversations about overdiagnoses only distracts from the governments failures to provide for people with disabilities, especially children.

    It is a 'debate' about a community merely existing. That is shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    "His diagnosis is questionable imo."

    And who the f*ck are you to make that assessment? What are your qualifications?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,962 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,573 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Because the question is 'why is there so many of them?' instead of actively discussing the utter shambles the disabilities services are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    A guy that can work in daily life in a management position and speak on TV like he just did is questionable.. tell me how he suffers in his day to day life?

    If you met my husbands nephew who can't function in any normal way whatsoever you would know what autism truly is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,382 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There's certainly a lot of misunderstanding out there.

    Hopefully tonight's show will have helped to improve matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,962 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Wouldn't be much left to talk about if the qualifying criteria for discussion was the adequate provision of services by the state really.

    Personally, I would think, given the backdrop of a failure to provide services that ensuring that only the most in need were in receipt of scarce services would be most prudent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Oh believe me hun, you don't need to tell me what 'autism' looks like.

    You have zero qualifications yet here you are discussing whether somebody else does or doesn't have it.

    Disgraceful comment. How dare you.

    Imagine I went up to you and your husband when your nephew was with you, while your nephew was having a bad sensory moment and getting very upset, and I told you that your nephew needs a slap. How would you feel?

    That's exactly what you're doing here. You know f*ck all about Adam Harris' life and yet you're questioning his diagnosis.

    Shame on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    A cop yourself on. You mean to tell me nice high earning, well spoken Harris has meltdowns - get real yourself. If Harris is autistic than so am I.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,573 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    You can't just say you disagree with her opinion, you have to go full bishop on her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Why don't you 'cop yourself on'?

    You're questioning someone's autism diagnosis based on his ability to speak. You haven't the first clue about autism. You know what the most complex cases look like. Everyone else doesn't count in your narrow-minded vision of what autism actually is.

    You have shown zero regard for families who don't have a child with 'real' autism but yet face major challenges with them. You wouldn't have the slightest clue about that because you don't give a flying f*ck.

    You're 'othering' autistic children. You'd be f*cking fuming if someone did that to your nephew or judged him based on something they know f*ck all about.

    Don't tell me to cop myself on. You're the one dismissing autistic people because of one experience you have with the most complex of cases and it's a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Yes, I will, because someone questioning the autism diagnosis of someone based on their ability to speak is a f*cking shameful comment and I have no problem calling that out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    So, a disability is only a disability if you can see it and if it is severe?

    You clearly know very little about autism or nero divergence and how.it affects people on various levels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,573 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Shame on you for not grasping what's truly happening

    Services are clogged in this country due to practioners dealing with people who want to label themselves or their child because they are a little different.

    The kids who are truly suffering can't avail of services due to the time wasters

    Thats the reality.

    Thats my last comment to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You're labelling disabilities on what you can see and not what is experienced by families all across the country.

    The kids who are suffering because the government has failed to take ANY action on resolving the issues. Now you have RTE going 'look over there' and distracting you. Now you're pointing your ire at other children.

    Shame on you blaming other children for the failures of the State.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I do believe when it comes to autism it can be seen in behaviours. If genuine it can't be disguised.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    No I want genuine families helped. That's not whats happening at the moment though. We have kids who a little bit quiet or a little too loud being diagnosed as autistic when the reality is that's their personality and there is nothing wrong with them. Ask any teacher and they will confirm they have children in their classes with questionable diagnosis using valuable resources.

    It needs to be addressed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭LowOdour


    So, what might that look like on two opposite sides of the spectrum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭onlymeself




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭Joe1919


    Parkinson's Law of Social Work... It's well known that social problems increase to occupy the total number of social workers available to deal with them. (TV comedy show 'Yes Minister' )

    I suppose there is a suspicion that the more we look for mental/social problems, the more problems we create and the more expensive our health service gets. In there any actual evidence that people are happier or that we are making any progress (or indeed can make any progress) when it comes to the general mental health?

    Just a thought….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭onlymeself


    Serious smell of ignorance off that post. Go away and do a little bit of reading for yourself and don't be another one of those a***holes making parents of autistic kids feel even worse than they already do. Autism isn't a learned behaviour. Bad parenting doesn't create autism. It's fairly tough going trying to deal with the difficulties faced by children who aren't "severely" autistic as you put it. When it isn't immediately obvious that a child is autistic, there is no allowances made for their difficulties in society. They can't walk around with a sign on them saying "I'm autistic but I don't look it". They are treated far far worse than any obviously autistic child. They are expected to be able to cope just like any other child and when they can't, they are punished for it. Imagine punishing a child for not being ablw to do something they are not capable of. That's what happens in schools and elsewhere in society for these kids.

    Not so long ago it was people like you that would have agreed with punishing kids who wrote with their left hand. We look back on that now and think, how could they have been so stupid and ignorant to punish someone for that. Well right now, because of complete and utter ignoramuses like you, there are children suffering because they aren't obviously autistic to look at, as you put it.

    Easy to throw around the complete scutter you wrote when you haven't had to live it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Well said ,great post .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I believe kids with genuine issues should be helped. Unfortunately there are alot of parents getting dubious diagnosis and saying their kids are on the spectrum. You clearly don't believe this is happening though so it's pointless arguing with you.

    Krds vwith real issues are not getting the help they need because services are being used by kids who don't really need the help.

    Do you realise fake practioners are offering diagnosis,? It's a gravy train for some service providers and some parents. Now even certain celebraties are cashing in on it with their sudden autism diagnosis.

    Whats the goal? - a society where every person is a clone of each other and behave exactly the same. I believe different personalities should be embraced not labelled as defective. In years to come we will have lots of messed up people because they were labelled as incorrectly autistic and life didn't work out well for them because of that label.

    I don't mean to cause upset for you. I don't disagree with you that living an autistic life or with an autistic person is tough. I know this only too well. There are also many out there who are not autistic imo - that's my point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Instead of actually educating yourself you just double down.

    There's honestly a certain level of evil in your ignorance. That you would accuse families of gaming the system just because their child doesn't showcase the same autism as your nephew.

    Spare me your falseness by claiming you don't want to cause upset. You've made it very clear you don't give a flying **** about families of autistic children. In fact, you're insinuating that they're gaming the system.

    Instead of hammering the government for their disgraceful inaction about this. You instead decide to point the finger of blame at other autistic children and their families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,136 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Honestly you are the only person on here showing ignorance. Do you honestly, honestly believe that autism diagnosis is not being used to jump up the housing list or claim carers allowance, or excuse bad parenting for a certain group of people? Really are you that naive?

    Its an insult to people who really do need help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Show me your proof for those claims.

    You can't, because you're chatting sh*te.

    Scummy behaviour from you. I don't believe you have a nephew with autism at all. Nobody who has to deal with this is so evil.



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