Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Moreover, they are simply reinforcing the point that the return of the hostages should be the government’s top priority, a view that the majority of people in Israel and those of us who stand with Israel agree with.

Since Israel broke the ceasefire and agreement that would have eventually seen the remaining hostages released, should you not be addressing this towards "those who stand with Israel"….or is that too awkward a question?

The West Bank - land grabbing and ethnic cleansing

"Part One: Seizing Control of Hundreds of Thousands of Dunams Through Shepherding Outposts

This new report by Kerem Navot and Peace Now reveals that Israeli settlers have used shepherding outposts to seize at least 786,000 dunams of land (4.04 dunams are 1 acre) – equivalent to 14% of the West Bank’s total area.

Israeli settlers, with the backing of the Israeli government and military, employ three primary methods to seize land:

1. Establishing shepherding outposts and displacing Palestinian shepherds and farmers from their lands.

2. Harassing, intimidating, and violently targeting nearby Palestinian communities to force their expulsion.

3. Taking control of large areas of land from displaced Palestinian communities and setting up new outposts."

https://peacenow.org.il/en/the-bad-samaritan-land-grabbing-by-settlers-through-grazing

The current tally of those signing petitions to end the war is reported as follows (to ensure folks are fully informed and avoid bursting any bubbles). The tally so far is well over 6000.

A total of 1,525 current and former Israeli armored corps soldiers signed a letter calling for an immediate end to the war in Gaza and the return of the hostages. The letter, also signed by two former IDF chiefs, Ehud Barak and Dan Halutz, said "the continuation of the fighting no longer serves the objectives the IDF was given at the start of the war."

Over 170 active and former reservists, alumni of the IDF's elite research and development program Talpiot, backed the letter signed last week by approximately 1,000 Air Force personnel calling to end the war.

More than 3,000 educators, 100 alumni of Israel's National Security College and some 3,500 Israeli academics signed petitions calling for the end of the war and the return of all the hostages.

I've yet to meet an Irish person that is okay with butchering children in Gaza IRL but the pro genocide camp seems very well represented here for some reason.

Probably won't be appreciated by all but Bernhardt discusses the double standard when reporting on Ukraine and Gaza today.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/04/palm-sunday-attacks-on-sumy-and-al-ahli.html

Israel attacked a Christian operated hospital on Palm Sunday. People in the media used to care about such things in the past.... A brave new world, providing cover for our genocidal brethren in Israel.

The illegitimate Israeli attack on a civilian health care institution is treated as somewhat normal. Despite its direct relation to Christian heritage and care there is no explicit mention that it took place on Palm Sunday.

This is an example of how propaganda inserts religion when it helps to condemn an "enemy" but leaves it out when it reports of the outrage committed by a "friendly" force.

If that is true, if is pure evil.

Something like the 'mistake' the Ruzzians made at Krivy Rih according to Trump? So this soldier made a mistake when he, eh, mispoke, but the rest of his collegues didn't when they shot the paramedics? The Israelis are flailing trying to explain this away.

As always, the future is in Gazan hands. They decide.

I'd love to live in such an ideal world.

The fact that you believe Gazan people have a decision making stake in what will happens is blithely naive.

They are rising up against Hamas in the north of Gaza, receiving no solidarity or support from the activist types, who remain solidly behind the current power structures.

Israel have been hitting Hamas fighters who are attacking people there but there is only so much that they can do.

Nothing to talk about eh. Why not talk about this lad. Any opinions on this no? He doesn't seem too bothered about whether it's Hamas fighters the IDF are killing does he?

…and we can assume that if this has happened here , then things like this have doubtless happened several times before but that this time due to the carelessness of this IDF party, they were found out.

That's as shameless a fairy story as something the Ruzzians would try out: the Ukrainians put ties on the hands of the dead at Bucha to make the Ruzzians look bad.

That's off he should apologise and tone it down, people are frustrated at Hamas and friends total commitment to war.

Tone it down? As if you are addressing a petulant teenager. Ridiculous.

It's not the first time he has used words like this; very similar words the various Jewish institutions emphasise after the Holocaust with the phrase "Never Forget".

Never forget, except when it comes to 'subhuman' Palestinians. To minimise this language as simple "frustration" is depraved.

Here's his opinion on the West Bank:

Vaturi also called for the widescale destruction of Jenin, which is currently under a brutal Israeli military siege, with tanks being sent into the West Bank city and refugee camp yesterday.

“We will soon turn Jenin into Gaza,” he said.

But he should just "Tone it down"……Not retract it. You do realise in using those words you're largely in agreement with him and his sentiments; you're "recommendation" though is that he just soften it more.

Hamas could have ended this in 2023, Israel have been forced to end it in 2025.

'This war' but Israel were satisfied for their previous attacks to continue. Israel could end the war efforts in the West Bank as we speak but I doubt you'll apply the same logic there.

Hamas are a single minded terrorist group who now are in a no win situation; (again) to suggest the arrive at the checkpoint hands up knowing their inevitable fate is immaturely naive.

They used some peoples misplaced sympathy as a crutch to keep fighting, they used many of the activist types marching displays of solidarity as leverage in fighting, always about the fighting.

The same could be said of Israel; they have used the plight of Palestinians and ensured the festering of terrorism to ensure that they can justify their continued callous campaigns.

Up to 10k genuinely innocent people were killed in Syria in about 2 weeks by Hamas buddy Jolani, not a peep from the jihad fans marching,

Her we have the complete false equivalence again that anyone opposing Israel's actions are automatically 'jihad fans'. It didn't wash the first time it was tried but when you've nothing else to throw at the wall, throw this and see if you can make it stick.

if Gazans want the fight back to stop, then end their war or just shut the fu89 up and stop pretending that this nasty little conflict is bigger than WW1.

Keep repeating this all you want, it just reiterates your lack of understand for what is happening.

You expect ordinary Palestinians trying to stay alive, to then turn around and pick a fight with a terrorist group that have endured 18months of Israeli military might…… deludedly perverse it what that is.

They've more than likely lost their home, lost family members, see their children traumatised (and that's if they haven't become one of the child amputee statistics), they've to scavenge for food, water has been cut off and any injury/illness unrelated to Israeli strikes are likely a death sentence due to the acute lack of aid; but now your "advice" to them is to go pick a fight with Hamas……

You really should reflect on what you've said.

People are tired of listening to it.

Aw, did we force you to come on here read all about it and then make you type that rubbish?

Is the war getting a bit tough for you sitting at home looking at a screen?

Bless.

Don't care either way at this stage, if they like it keep fighting if they dont then release hostages and surrender.

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