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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭easyvision




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Astral Nav


    Tequila



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    How soon will they announce the destination? I’m planning on CPT in October & I’d like to hold off for a short while to see where they are going to & their prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Astral Nav


    They have to get a temporary agreement with the pilots through due rest area rules. Unlikely to be an issue. Maybe hold off booking for two weeks and keep and eye on the AL website for it going live for bookings?

    It's a great expansion for the airline and a great extra choice and convience for the customer. Hope it does well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,748 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Cancun would be an outstanding introduction



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    If there was any talk of replacing the A330s, I'd imagine it's on ice now with the current environment. A couple of tough years ahead potentially. Some of the damage could be mitigated by moving capacity to Canada, but that's already a very competitive market. If they felt that they couldn't run a 321 against AC on YUL, hard to see how they could drop 330s into the market.

    BGI and CUN might be options too but with all that's potentially coming down the tracks for vital industries to the economy like Pharma, tech, agri foods etc, people might be looking at tightening their belts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Cancun is being seriously considered, heard it yesterday.

    Great addition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ironduck


    If MAN pilots are seemingly confident of expansion there soon, perhaps a CUN route might be done by EIUK? It would make sense given the strength of the Caribbean from Manchester.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    EI only have 6 A330's fitted with crew rest, if they want to start flying more long routes then its a refit on EI-FNG/FNH which do not have the crew rest module/stairs fitted but have the as built heavier max weight for West Coast ops



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    I think more proper long haul aircraft (with rest facilities) need to be looked at now to open up more markets from Dublin outside the US. If FNG/H can be retrofitted I’d be looking at that option with priority if I was EI right now.
    It would mean potential for new markets in Asia, South Africa/America



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Is this rumour only for MAN? Doubt I’ll have any joy hoping for CPT ex DUB😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Aren't refits expected later this year or early next year for the A330s? Wouldn't be too difficult to fit crew rests into the two capable aircraft if needed.

    That said, with the uncertainty around the global economy and the reported softness in US forward bookings, I wouldn't be surprised to see a slightly larger than usual reduction in US flying next winter to facilitate any new winter long haul route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    When DL were increasing the certified MTOW of their earliest built A350s, I read somewhere that Airbus charged them 6 million USD per airframe just for the paperwork. No crew rests etc needed to be added. EI would want to be very sure they have a profitable route for FNG/FNH before spending the dosh. Between certification and the crew pods you're probably adding two years before the route becomes profitable overall just with that.

    Also the heavier the certified MTOW of the airframe, the higher the ATC and handling charges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    It's quite easy to see a drop in a LAX rotation for example and enable a non US flight if it comes down to that. I don't think airframes will be a shortage at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 377 ✭✭Shamrockj


    I don’t think it’s the same situation. -FNG/-FNH are already built / certified to the high weight 242T model but are derated on paper as they aren’t used / fitted for west coast operations I think it’s just a paperwork change to change it back to 242T but the fitting of rest areas is obviously a bigger job but has been done on -DAA and -LAX previously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Fairly sure FNG/FNH are 242T structurally but registered as 233T if there is a pay Airbus situation involved who knows

    Its a loss of 4 seats and some hold space



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    It certainly isn't free to get the paperwork changed from 233 to 242 by Airbus. Although thinking more on it I believe EZY lower the certified MTOW of some of their A321s during winter months to lower their ATC charges due lower load factors so there must be an expedited process too.

    Higher MTOW variants require more inspections on things like LG and brakes, engines are working harder etc. The running costs do go up.

    What was the original MTOW of the earliest -300s (DUB, JFK etc) in the fleet actually out of interest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,366 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Original -300 MTOW was a 212T…

    ORD was as far as you would want to go so perfect for EI at the time.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    True but if they were planning to have fully compliant aircraft in terms of crew rest they wouldn’t be negotiating with the crew. I’m guessing the negotiations are due to this new route possibly pushing the limits of current FTLs and rest requirements and perhaps an agreement on use of business class seats for crew rest are being considered. That’s just me reading between the lines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Quick check of winter schedule and 4/6 LAX for winter 25/26 schedule swtiched to -200. AFAIK it was almost all -300 this winter. 1/3 Vegas is also donw for -200 but this might have happened after it was released last year as well.

    They should have enough crew rest frames to allow non US over winter. I presume if they are short ORD will get an XLR service as the -200s in the past were heavily utilized on this route in winter.

    Question if it's Cancun and from DUB is it x2 or x3 weekly…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    Then maybe its Cape Town then, Cancun is a good bit shorter than LAX unless they dont want to be restricted in using a crew bunk aircraft.

    Does anybody know if the G reg 330's in MAN have bunks?

    DUB also has a longer runway now than when CPT was pitched back in the Willy Walsh days.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Manchester aircraft don’t have crew rest

    Some airlines operate to Cape Town with 4 flight deck crew. Perhaps that’s the negotiating point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    If it was to say be in the Caribbean or Mexico or any route they want to start in general, what exactly is needed to be changed within the contracts to facilitate it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    DVE returning to Dublin 21:50 tonight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭jwm121


    EI-DAA also returning to Dublin from Bordeaux today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    For augmented crew operations, a dedicated pilot rest area is a requirement. Aircraft that lack that facility can substitute it with a blocked off business class seat that has a privacy curtain, but only if the pilots agree to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭x567


    Doubting that this is the rumoured new route - so more as as a general interest question, if EI wanted to go daily on the Barbados service by operating say 4/wk to MAN and 3/wk to DUB, would this work from a crewing perspective? Or are the EI UK crew dedicated to that operation only (and vice versa)? It would seem to be efficient crew utilisation if allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    UK crew operate on a separate license so it wouldn’t work in the way you imagine. DUB based crew have operated MAN routes in the past but that was via a CAA agreement which allowed for EI frames and DUB crews to operate MAN routes in winter while the G reg’s were in maintenance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Gary walsh 32


    Currently on ei nsb ti izmir have to sya the layout is terrible seats aren't to bad position of the a/c is bad for the window seat



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭john boye


    Still at least the wine seems to be OK.



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