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Why Does Donegal Have So Many Fatal Road Accidents?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,732 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Again, that's every county.

    I have witnessed bad driving and biy racers in every county I have ever been in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    West meath and mayo are pretty bad for road deaths aswell.

    I'm in cavan at the moment and they drive pretty fast. The roads are fairly straight here tho compared to where I'm from in County wicklow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I find it more in your face in Donegal and I find older drivers to be pretty irresponsible. We used to stay in an area in Donegal and gave up on letting the kids walk to the beach because of one mouth breather that insisted on tearing up and down the road, doing burnouts and doughnuts. He was in his thirties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,336 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    any time i've been up in donegal i can't get over how spread out the housing is there, like you must have to drive absolutely everywhere all the time, so no wonder there are so many crashes with the tiny unlit roads and youngfellas going out drinking and driving and doing coke etc.

    i'm going up for a week at the end of may, hopefully the roads go easy on me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,726 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I constantly hear town people talking about how spread out Donegal is . Most of it is Country side not town . Dubs don’t seem to understand that there is no functioning public transport in rural Ireland .so to get from A to B driving is THE only option . Though that’s not to say that Donegal lads don’t pull every trick in the book . I have posted before how I got rear ended in Monaghan . The car that hit me was driven by a Dundalk girl coming from Donegal , with her Donegal boyfriend . Both cars had the same DL reg . Typical border behaviour .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Most people, no matter where they're from, understand how certain types of housing development can negatively impact an area. Single use, low density housing promotes car dependency, is harder to police, more expensive to service, makes it nearly impossible to introduce public transport, and weakens communities. It also reduces walkability, leading to increased rural obesity and isolation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,726 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    But if you’re a farmer milking 30/40 cows , there’s not much room in a 1/4 acre semi to work . And of course siblings will need a site . So driving is the only option . Not everyone wants to live in a town . Should PP be refused , and make the people move to a town / village . That destroys communities .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    We really need to wake up to bad planning in this country, we seem to be following a US car dependent suburban model, a model which has contributed to its now evident economic and societal decline.

    But having said that if you own a farm or business that requires living next to it, that should have less planning strings attached.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Towns and villages don’t destroy communities, they create and sustain them. No question that farmers need to live on site for their work, that’s not in dispute. But I’m talking specifically about one off housing that isn’t linked to farms or essential rural activity. That’s a very different issue and it's a major part of the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,726 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    In fact, I’d argue that farmers themselves would be better off without scattered one off housing! They’d enjoy more peace and quiet, fewer conflicts, less traffic on narrow roads, and less strain on infrastructure!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,726 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    It’s a bit of a problem where parents feel the need to divide the farm . Boosted by the Celtic Tiger when a 1/4 ac with road frontage suddenly became considered an asset , rather than leaving it to the farmer it’s syphoned off to other children to sell / build .

    So in other words I now agree with you .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,922 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    There is no issue with parents dividing a farm equally. The issue is with our local authorities rampantly allowing one off housing. We need to stop allowing ribbon development along every road. The vast, vast majority of one off houses are occupied by people who do not farm the surrounding land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,732 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Again, not a Donegal only issue.

    You could get photos of housing like that from every county in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,808 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Just another of those devilish Donegal boyos driving his car at double the speed limit with his illegally tinted windscreen who killed a little boy, then went off on a booze and coke bender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    This lad had a checkered past shall we say. He was adopted from Eastern Europe as a baby. Nuture v nature doesn't get a look in here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Thorny Queen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭D n G


    I was looking for stats on fatal road accidents in Ireland and the CSO had one for 2023. It appears that 5 counties had more fatalities than Donegal in that year: Dublin (15), Cork (15), Tipperary (16), Galway (12), Roscommon (12) with Kerry and Donegal recording 10 fatalities each.

    The RSA published an article which said that Dublin (23), Cork (19), Mayo (19) and Donegal (17) recorded the highest number of fatalities in 2024.

    Why focus on one county, Donegal, and not cast an eye on the others? What makes their road fatalities different?

    https://www.rsa.ie/news-events/news/details/2025/01/01/road-deaths-in-2024-drop-by-4

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/hubs/p-transo/transporthub/roadsafety/fatalities/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,732 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Cos it's an anti Donegal thread, doesn't fit the narrative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,552 ✭✭✭standardg60


    An absolutely shocking read, 58 metres he propelled the poor boy. And had already been fined for driving at 160kmh. Goes to show no matter what advertising, education or enforcement is applied people like him will continue to be on our roads because their behaviour is sourced from aspects immune to those parameters.

    Quite telling he was adopted, this behaviour doesn't happen overnight, he's been getting away with stuff from a young age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    The number of fatalities should be viewed in the context of number of trips, distance travelled, or per capita or age profile or some combination thereof to paint the true picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,726 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Yes a Dundalk , person . Driving a car with fake plates . Whether you can call a Dundalk woman a lady ? Not quite in my experience . And just for reference , I’m from Monaghan so I know well the strokes pulled . I’ve been there and done that .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    Belarus to be precise and he was brought up in Mullaghmore, Sligo. Just to fact check!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Absolutely. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be ignored as a contributing factor to road deaths in Donegal and other counties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Well, some of those counties have a lot of people in them!! If you work it out proportionately it's more like this: Ireland Road Deaths 2023 only per 100,000 population, by county, worst to lowest…

    Leitrim: 11.1
    Monaghan: 10.9
    Tipperary: 9.5
    Mayo: 8.8
    Roscommon: 8.7
    Offaly: 8.5
    Longford: 8.5
    Kerry: 6.4
    Carlow: 6.3
    Donegal: 6.0
    Cavan: 7.3
    Westmeath: 7.3
    Sligo: 5.7
    Louth: 5.0
    Clare: 4.7
    Galway: 4.7
    Wicklow: 4.2
    Kilkenny: 3.8
    Laois: 3.3
    Limerick: 3.3
    Meath: 3.2
    Cork: 2.6
    Waterford: 2.4
    Wexford: 1.9
    Kildare: 1.2
    Dublin: 1.0



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,474 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    this is true that it's not a donegal only issue, but donegal does seem to have run with it more than most.

    the most obvious example i've seen is gweedore. we spent a night nearby about ten years ago, and then went to gweedore to have a wander around. but there's no 'gweedore' to wander around. it's a strip a few km long of one off house after one off house after one off house. IIRC the bank was half a mile from the chemist which was half a mile from the pub, etc.

    we bailed out of there and went to ardara instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,732 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    We seem to have moved into a debate on planning now, not sure what that's got to do with road deaths?

    For clarity, I'm not saying Donegal hasn't got idiot drivers. It has. Some complete ar&holes on the roads up here. And it's bad drivers who are dying and killing their passengers, nothing to do with me off housing. That's a cop out.

    But the point I'm making is that Ireland is full of bad drivers. I see terrible driving every day. Derry has some truly shocking driving standards these days. As does every county in the country. The table above shows that maybe its time we had 8 other threads asking why does X have so many road deaths? Those worse than Donegal according to stats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Ridiculous that some poster are trying to use a scumbag lunatic from Mullaghmore (that's Co. Sligo for the geographically challenged) to have a go at Donegal and Donegal drivers.

    That individual should have been in prison - he got a lenient 2 year custodial sentence in 2019 for a horrific stabbing incident.

    This is a scumbag issue, not a road safety issue. And as can be seen from the table posted and in spite of the rallying culture and low population density, Donegal is often better or no worse than other border and rural counties for road deaths.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,453 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Planning that creates car dependency, isolation, influences traffic patterns and road infrastructure has 100% a lot to do with road deaths. It's been explained in the thread.



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